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Currently reviewing a H&S Construction plan against the company PMP requirements. I have always written h&s plans as an isolated document and not within an integrated PMP. I am not even sure the PMP H&S section conforms to the CDM ACoP list in Appendix 3. Hope this all makes sense?
Has anyone faced a similar conundrum, or has an opinion either way? All comments will be warmly appreciated, thanks.
Ray
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Project Management Plan presumably. I'd caution against integrating the CPP or PCI within this. The CPP in particular is intended to be specific to the Site and the people that work there, updated with reports, etc.
It would (IMHO) be in danger of becoming buried within a PMP?
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Ron, thanks for comments. I agree, the PMP is likely to be ignored and a CPP is a legal requirement unlike much that is contained in the PMP. However, we have a PMP in place, for better or worse, so I have decided to write a stand alone CPP and integrate it into the PMP afterwards, where no doubt it will be ignored, forgotten etc.
Cheers.
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ron hunter wrote:Project Management Plan presumably. I'd caution against integrating the CPP or PCI within this. The CPP in particular is intended to be specific to the Site and the people that work there, updated with reports, etc.
It would (IMHO) be in danger of becoming buried within a PMP? NACWYTA, OK IMHO LOL
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Well said! It's all gone a bit TLA there!
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It could get worse!
C U L8R
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Ray
Since you explicitly indicate that you welcome all comments, may I respectfully observe that your statement 'I have decided to write a stand alone CPP and integrate it into the PMP afterwards, where no doubt it will be ignored, forgotten etc.' suggests that, as a competent safety practitioner, you are choosing to avoid the hallmark of profesionalism namely using knowledge in a manner that enhances the client's effectiveness.
Even if addressing social relationships at work is not specified within the protocols you refer to, the field of your actual choices as a safety professional de facto includes them. Arguably it is up to you personally to spend your time on matters you believe 'will be ignored, forgotten, etc.' and not to take initiatives to promote a culture dedicated to enabling all involved to learn to act as intelligent adults.
As long as competent safety (and other) professionals choose to promote protocols they believe 'will be ignored, forgotten, etc.', they are effectively promoting the eclipse of what they profess.
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If we are totally honest most PMPs are better managed and reviewed than the CPP. It is often that CDMCs do not understand them or blindly insist on the letter of the law and so must see a document titled CPP. I often used to change th title for their, and the old PS, copy. It was changed back for use on site.
A good PMP is also a good CPP - the problems only really start if you try to separate out the contents to align wt the acop offered headings. You need to think strategically. Look at terms like:
Leadeship
Training Behaviours and Competency
Control of Contractors
Management of Site Facilities
Co-ordination and Co-operation
Emergency Arrangments
etc etc
You will quickly find that you can combine Q,S and E under all such headings
Bob
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Kieran
You are correct in remarking that I did invite all comments. However, it was not meant as an opportunity to have a dig at my professionalism. In my experience there are too many prescripitive measures in project management. Hence many get overlooked, forgotten or are subject to good old apathy. That's just the way it is...I'm not trying to change the world, just being honest.
Bob
There are also issues with trying to populate a construction PMP to a rail contract, but never mind, I have decided upon my route of action. thanks for you comments.
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