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colinbehan  
#1 Posted : 06 February 2010 10:49:58(UTC)
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colinbehan

Our HR department would like to appoint a field based candidate who has made them aware that she has a young child. Her partner does not work, and she intends to have her partner and child travel with her regularly, so that she can continue to breast feed the child whilst working.

I have conflicting views on this and would appreciate hearing what anyone else thinks or if you have any examples of similar circumstances.
martinw  
#2 Posted : 06 February 2010 11:48:19(UTC)
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martinw

Interesting one Colin.
First thoughts are: could she not express the milk so that baby could have it at home? Second, would your or her own insurers (presuming business driving insurance as I have) allow or authorise an infant and another non-employee in the car during business travel? Is it actually business travel? The driver is not an employee but is driving your employee. It is business travel by your employee but what are the implications for coverage of HASAWA during these business journeys? Your employee may be covered but her partner and child would presumably not be. In the event of an accident on the road, would you as an employer have vicarious liability for the partner or child if they were injured? If it is business travel would the partner require some sort of licence eg a chauffeur's? Presuming your employee would be breast feeding, this would mean that the partner is driving your employee during her business trip. When this happens on public transport, eg bus or train other insurances cover the situation: how do you propose demanding appropriate insurance from a member of the public who will be driving your employee?

Would you be discriminating by refusing? On the other hand, thinking aloud would you allow a female member of staff to bring her infant to work in the office so that she could breast feed during work hours? If it is during their break you cannot really stop them, unless it is inappropriate on the premises due to the nature of the workplace/security, in which case they would have to exit the building etc, but where my wife works her maternity policy states that the employer has to provide facilities to express milk if it is requested. Have you checked your maternity policy for any similar statements?


I would get legal and insurer advice if necessary. If my comments above are negative then I apologise, it was not meant to be, but every car journey brings risk of accident. Having a screaming baby in the car (bound to happen sometime with a baby, believe me) will not increase concentration on the road and other driving dangers.

Good question though. Sorry about the ramble above, just thinking aloud. Whatever is decided make sure that it is balanced and that you can defend your decisions as reasonable in the situation, based on professional advice. Looking at my post above I imagine that I have not actually helped! But I may have asked come questions which you need to address from a legal perspective.
Wizard  
#3 Posted : 08 February 2010 06:31:26(UTC)
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Wizard

Colin, Please share the conflicting views you have, we maybe able to give a balanced reply

Wizard
phow  
#4 Posted : 08 February 2010 10:18:35(UTC)
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phow

Colin
this is of course already covered by the HSE under the expectant mothers guidance
http://www.hse.gov.uk/mothers/healthprof.htm
Under current discrimination laws, I think you must assess to allow this , not say, it is too difficult for us to to cope with this!
Having a free chauffeur is probably the safest from of travel. Pay private milage use for as long as she wishes to take baby with her (under her own insurance) then revert to Co car policy. You can break your own policies provided you all agree why and it ts documented. Involve HR and OH if you have them
best wishes Peter
Invictus  
#5 Posted : 09 February 2010 07:47:20(UTC)
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Invictus

How long is she wanting to breast feed for? How old is the baby? Can you not look at employing her in a different role until she has stopped breast feeding?

taking the partner and baby with her all day is not making reasonable adjustments. You need to carryout an assessment of needs. Returning to the office or home to breast feed is better than the baby and husband sitting in the car all day. If need be then the partner if he has a car will need to meet her, I am sure you would not need to pay his mileage as he is not employed by you.

Look at what you consider reasonable

colinbehan  
#6 Posted : 09 February 2010 10:18:15(UTC)
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colinbehan

I do have a copy HSG122 and whilst this is a useful publication I think that this situatuion is a bit out of the ordinary. My conflicting views where that while we should support breastfeeding mothers with facilities and storage for expressing, and if we were a larger company a creche. On the other side I think that it may not be appropriate to employ somebody in a field based role knowing that they intend to travel around with their partner and 8 week old child as they do not want to express. They would be the driver on all business journeys and her partner is only travelling in order to look after the baby. This of course means that we cannot provide any facilities as we do not control the premises she visits and potentially her partner and child will be left in a car all day. As an organisation should we not consider the welfare of her child.

Saying that our legal department have pouinted out that our HR policy on home / field working precludes caring for children and so I do not believe that a job offer will now fo ahead. Thanks for all your help.
Markham11954  
#7 Posted : 09 February 2010 10:53:55(UTC)
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Markham11954

This scenario is extremely unusual as were the woman in employment she would be only about a quarter of her way through maternity leave. ML was purposely intended to address the key issue of infant care described. If the lady is a potential candidate having been previously unemployed will she be able to afford business use insurance (which you will have to have sight of). If she is an applicant currently in employment and on maternity leave then the two salaries scam may be in the offing. Proof of her emplotment status must be carefully investigated as I would certainly be alerted by the unusualness of these circumstances
kltodd  
#8 Posted : 09 February 2010 21:29:45(UTC)
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kltodd

1) Partner will quickly get fed up spending the day in the car, as will baby. At least if they were in the house all the facilities are to hand (kitchen, toilet, toys, cot, etc etc).

2) A car seat is for transporting baby from A to B in the car, not to be kept in for extended periods as this can put pressure on the baby's spine: http://www.babycentre.co...orbaby/carseats/newborn/

3) Some relevant cases: http://www.telegraph.co....mo-ban-costs-170000.html and http://www.mayerbrown.co...le.asp?id=1239&nid=6

4) Seek legal advice on how to best handle this.

KT
Captain Scarlet  
#9 Posted : 10 February 2010 10:53:56(UTC)
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Captain Scarlet

Rapidly skimming through some of the replies, I am assuming come from experienced HSE professionals, I tried to look at this from both angles:
From the employers perspective:
I would have a quick chat with HR, and ask them stand back take a couple of deep breaths, then come back to reality, remind them of the difference between "Like" and "Need"
(Our HR department would like to appoint a field based candidate who has made them aware that she has a young child).

From the employees angle:
Again a quick reality check, with the laden question; how can both parties possibly benefit from this situation?
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