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Hi could someone please advise me on the following:
care home setting and a domestic dishwasher is fitted in the kitchen.
Although I realise any manufacturers warranty would be void in a care home setting are here any legal reasons to only have a commercial machine.
A member of staff suggested a domestic machine in a commercial setting was illegal and would render the care homes insurance invalid if it was to cause a fire.
use of the machine in a small care home would be no more than for a large family .
Any help would be appreciated including legislation / regs if appropiate
thanks
steve
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The Care Home will have far more domestic electrical appliances than "commercial" ones (check the PAT Register!).
Respectfully, any suggestion that this is illegal or contrary to your Insurer's requirements, is just plain daft.
I think the point about invalidating the manufacturer's warranty is well made.
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Does the manufacturer's literature state that is suitable only for domestic use?
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To add a thought on here.
I used to work in a care home that had its own commercial kitchen and a residents kitchen with a domestic dishwasher which I would think is a usual feature in a lot ofcare/residential homes. However it was common practice for the domestic dishwasher to be used to wash all the plate, bowls, cutlery, cups, utensils for 20 people everyday. on average i would say that the dishwasher was put on for a full cycle at least 4-5 times a day (not always with a heavy load). Items rarely came out clean, there were always blockages and it smelt to high heaven. It had to be replaced every 18 months as well due to it just breaking down.
I would suggest that you incorporate the usage factors as well and ensure that someone is responsible for ensuring its upkeep ie. checking it has enough salt and rinsade etc. (dont rely on the day shift or night shift as they will just pass the buck to the other)
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Hi,
I would check with your insurance company first, put the ball in their court, these guys will be able to give you the answer with regards to legislation, and give you the nod of approval.
I would guess that there is no standard requirement for a dishwasher, it is the result of the dishwasher where the concern is, are the plates clean and sanitised if so, and the insurance company says yes...
Robert is your dads brother and Fanny's a rude word!
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They need to achieve a temperature that cleans and sanitisers, so they dont need to be commercial
SB
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There must be thousands of domestic microwave ovens used in commercial properties, so I don't see any difference in using a domestic dishwasher, provided (as has been said above) it is up to the task.
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Hi,
I concur with the above - I can’t see any problem using a domestic dishwasher other than the fact that it won’t last long if used as commercial equipment. Basically the manufacturer’s instructions for installation, use, maintenance etc should be followed. RA for safe use in care home setting.
Cheers
Steve
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Many thanks to you all.
I agree with you and have made procedures to ensure the machines regularly checked into the maintenance schedule and pat tested.
The other issues regarding salt, filters etc are covered in the kitchen haccp system already in place and so forms part of the managers monitoring system.
the kitchen forms part of the monthly internal auditing procedures and the machines effectiveness forms part of this.
thanks again
steve
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Sorry to be a fly in the ointment but.... Whether the domestic unit is capable of doing the job is not the issue; there needs to be a 'Type A' air gap created by a breaktank which normally is KIWA standard approved. This prevents any backflow into the normal water supply. Also the commercial units raise the water to a higher temperature than domestic units. The mechanical backflow fluid control needs to be class 5 which domestic units do not achieve. http://www.rwc.co.uk/public/training/QAjune03.pdfWe have just had a new commercial dishwasher installed in a renovation of the renal unit in the Trust where I work and it HAD to be a commercial unit for the reasons given above, even though only plates, cups and saucers are to be used in it. And also that it is on healthcare premises. Cheers Martin
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