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nmurray  
#1 Posted : 19 February 2010 12:11:21(UTC)
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nmurray

Does anyone have know how this scheme is going to work? Is there a formal procedure already in place and what cost implications to individuals or employers? Would be grateful for any information received.
Dogh0use10  
#2 Posted : 19 February 2010 13:03:35(UTC)
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Dogh0use10

Are we talking about young people here? Work experience etc?
nmurray  
#3 Posted : 19 February 2010 13:10:35(UTC)
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nmurray

Yes either young person or vulnerable adult
martinw  
#4 Posted : 19 February 2010 13:12:49(UTC)
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martinw

Have a look at the Independent Safeguarding Authority website. It gives good explanations of the scheme, definitions, requirements due to whether your staff carry out 'regulated' or 'controlled' activities. Number to ring is on the site and they are very helpful. Tells you all about CRB (normal/enhanced) if you need it etc.
All depends on the type of work undertaken by your staff/organisation and what form and frequency of contact takes place between staff and vulnerable adults and/or children etc. That determines whether or not you will need to register with the ISA as an organisation, and the checks that you are required to undertake on new staff etc..
Dogh0use10  
#5 Posted : 19 February 2010 13:14:40(UTC)
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Dogh0use10

I work for a company who risk assesses businesses to clear them for work experience placements. As a company, we all took part in the online Safeguarding Children "quiz" ...( go to the Safeguarding Children govt site )
That successful certificate to show we had done it is now logged with our HR dept, and I presume companies to get all their employees working with young people to do that too.....it doesnt weed out unsuitable people, but proves that the employer has the interests of the young people at heart.
nmurray  
#6 Posted : 19 February 2010 13:15:29(UTC)
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nmurray

Thankyou for that - will check it out
Canopener  
#7 Posted : 19 February 2010 19:54:53(UTC)
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Canopener

Martin - thank you for the info on the 'safeguarding' site - very helpful
pete48  
#8 Posted : 20 February 2010 11:56:47(UTC)
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pete48

You may find this link is helpful in sorting the reality from the multitude of myth that now surrounds this matter. It is published by the DCSF and is in response to both the nonsense that has been published elsewhere (inc other govt depts) and to include comments from the Minister (Ed Balls) post the independent review called by HMG.
http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/n..._and_barring_myth_buster


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martinw  
#9 Posted : 21 February 2010 18:58:11(UTC)
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martinw

Phil
- no problem. I suspect that a lot of people who need to know about the forthcoming requirements will not unless they are somehow acquainted with the ISA and the new requirements. Certainly I would not want to be the first person prosecuted under the new rules, as public policy will be pushed for maximum media coverage by giving maximum sentence. The consequences for employers are potentially disastrous if they do not carry out the correct checks etc.
I made a point of pushing this information to all the training and educational providers which I visited when I worked for the LSC, and I imagine that this is also pushed through AoC and other bodies. This is definitely need-to-know stuff.
stephendclarke  
#10 Posted : 21 February 2010 19:09:47(UTC)
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stephendclarke

Hi,
Is there not even a smidgen of truth in the following article then?
http://www.telegraph.co....ther-vetting-checks.html
Steve
pete48  
#11 Posted : 22 February 2010 17:24:23(UTC)
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pete48

Stephen , of course there is otherwise publication might be problematic. It depends on what you think it is saying.
This is the page with the link to the official guidance.
http://www.isa.homeoffic...uk/Default.aspx?page=379
Just click on the "guidance document" in the text and you can do some direct research into the official publications if you wish to find out more. Whether or not the ISA has a robust system for dealing with such referrals is not as significant as suggested IMO. The people making the referral are required to follow protocols and have an understanding of "relevant conduct and the harm tests" so it is hardly likely that "an innocent" or victim of "mischievous complaint" would ever result in anything.
So smidgens of truth no doubt but is it really the doom of Big Brother that will descend upon innocent people and damn their lives for nothing? I am not convinced.

I, like many others I am sure, get concerned when such articles are published because it does deter employers from accepting young or other vulnerable groups into their businesses, be it on short visits or work experience placements.
http://www.isa.homeoffic...uk/Default.aspx?page=379

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pete48  
#12 Posted : 22 February 2010 19:46:57(UTC)
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pete48

Steve, I agree with your sentiments but that is exactly why it is important that myths are squashed. It is messy enough as it is.
In fact, if one chooses to do so, it is possible to read between the lines of Sir Roger Singletons remarks in his report and the subsequent government response to find support for a view that HMG did not get it quite right first time around? However, I guess that discussion would lead to hijacking the thread so perhaps I better call it a day there.

Pete
Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#13 Posted : 23 February 2010 08:29:20(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

Dogh0use10 wrote:
Are we talking about young people here? Work experience etc?


Taking the CRB checks further, I've not long recieved this:
Work experience is exempt due to the "work setting" so none of the employees who work alongside the individual will require ISA registration.

If you would like to be kept up to date in the future on the Vetting and Barring scheme, please reply to this email with your preferred contact details.

Kind regards,

The Vetting & Barring Scheme Information Team

Hope this is of use.

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