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kathryn  
#1 Posted : 06 March 2010 19:23:32(UTC)
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kathryn

Hi Guys,

I would love some advice if anyone can give me any.

I have just decided to start up a small H&S consultancy and i have been approached by my first enquirer.the thing is i have no idea of what to charge at all and could do with an idea of figures to charge please.
The 'possible' client is a small family run MOT , tyre & battery garage , who have 5 employees.They have advised me that they have no policy , fire risk assesment etc in place (basically they have nothing in place).They have told me they are very concerned about their lack of compliance etc and want me to get something in place quite soon.I am able to do the work for them but have no idea how or what the charge.
Do i charge by the hour ? if so whats the average price? Also do i charge for a per document rate aswell i.e £? for the policy and £? for the fire risk assessment?

Pleeeeeeease help me guys- i dont want to loose this oppourtunity.

K xx

G Fieldhouse  
#2 Posted : 06 March 2010 19:50:21(UTC)
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G Fieldhouse

Where are you in the UK prices differ
kathryn  
#3 Posted : 06 March 2010 19:55:25(UTC)
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kathryn

Hi,

I am in Stoke on Trent, staffordshire.The client is in Biddulph, Staffordshire.

Thanks
G Fieldhouse  
#4 Posted : 06 March 2010 21:21:39(UTC)
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G Fieldhouse

Work out how many hours you would need to spend and your hourly or daily rate if you look on jobsites for consultancy work you will see what they are offering I would think around 22-25 per hour for your area
kathryn  
#5 Posted : 06 March 2010 22:05:41(UTC)
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kathryn

Thanks for that, much appreciated.

K
peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 07 March 2010 11:06:01(UTC)
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peter gotch

Kathryn

Not only your location that should influence your hourly rate, but your experience, qualifications, level and scope of professional indemnity insurance etc. Also if competent to deliver the rate is likely to increase in some client sectors e.g. rail and nuclear.

P
blodwyn  
#7 Posted : 09 March 2010 10:15:52(UTC)
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blodwyn

Whilst it is sensible to have a good pricing structure you learn very quickly what companies can afford to pay. A small business such as that will be the lower end of your scale. So it helps to be flexible. As Peter has identified your level of qualification/competence is also key. I was a consultant for many years both for a company and self employed. I charged a daily rate, a half date rate, and a report writing rate - I rarely if ever charged an hourly rate. I have recently been quoted daily rates for consultants from £200 to £750 per day, and all were assessed to be competent. It is to start with a bit suck it and see - if they recoil you have got it wrong, if they book 20 days you may be a little to reasonable!!! Phone around some local companies and do your market research.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 10 March 2010 15:01:04(UTC)
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firesafety101

Start with a low fee rate and do a good job. You may then get some recommendations - word of mouth is better than paying to advertise.

You may wish to start at £25.00 per hour, do the first part of the job i.e. the Policy and get feedback from the Client.

Then discuss the fee for the second part i.e. fire risk assessment. Then do the same.

Be there when the client needs to know more, without charging for further advice.

Take it slowly and build up a client base. Don't forget to return to the client after a year or so and remind them they need to review.

Most important do not take the client for a fool. They may have done the market research as well.
murray-t  
#9 Posted : 11 March 2010 08:54:58(UTC)
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murray-t

Hi Kathryn,

I’ve found myself in a similar situation as you. I was approached by one of our sub-contractors asking if I would be his consultant (small business three lads and him). I hadn’t planned on doing any consultancy work but he talked me into it. We talked about fees and came to the arrangement of £100 a week retainer, £20 per document, and £300, £0.40per mile per site visit; this includes a free site visit every two months.
Some people might think that this isn’t a lot of money; then again some might think I’m onto a good thing, but as this isn’t my sole form of income,(I’m contracting as well) then it will do to help build up my savings.

Murray
ianhutchings100  
#10 Posted : 14 March 2010 10:30:31(UTC)
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ianhutchings100

Hi

Pricing is typically done two ways. Cost plus or value based. Cost plus takes all costs into account and then adds profit, typically between 25% and 40% for professional services. Value based is designed on the market value and prepencity to pay a certain amount, i.e. suppy and demand.

Hope this helps. Don't charge too little, it damages the profession. Consultancy typically ranges from £400 per day for a one man band SME consultancy to the £900+ and upwards per day margin for complex corporate. Average day rate for a management consultant in the UK is £1400 per day (chartered management institute research).

Hope this helps.

Ian
richie o'neill  
#11 Posted : 27 April 2010 10:32:30(UTC)
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richie o'neill

Kathryn,

The IOSH Consultants forum is able to offer some good advice on the topic. Dont forget to price in your insurances. Here is a link to the consultant guide, which holds details of pricing policy and leads you by the hand in making such decisions.

http://www.iosh.co.uk/gr...s/consultants_guide.aspx

Richie
CFT  
#12 Posted : 27 April 2010 19:46:07(UTC)
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CFT

I'm with Peter G on this one. Maybe £20-£25 an hour might cut the mustard for a level 3 practitioner taking on simple tasks but most consultants I know are all CMIOSH with varying levels of experience.

I consult mostly in Somerset & Devon and include London (at the wish of a client) once a week. I travel first class on the train and charge for it. I make no difference to going to London to work as the work I do is all pretty 'General Practitioner' stuff. Sec 21's a plenty, an occasional 22, FRA's, creation of H&S management systems, training, etc. I do actually offer other services and on occasion work for a % of recovered funds when working on Landlord Tenant disputes (service charges management fees etc).

For HS&E work I currently charge out at £380 a full day, travel is at full hourly rate of £52 per hour (minimum charge two hours for work based) this however is going up in June to £440 a day (based on turning work away right now). With a new or prospective client I give the first hour without charge...some you win, some you don't.

I have one client who gives me one day a week, every week, I have reduced my charges slightly to reflect the profit on volume basis. Expert witness testimony can be much higher than my usual rates depending on the nature of the case, they are few and far between though...(speaking of which I have one soon which will run on a bit...it was a fatality).

I think it is next best to impossible to tell you what to charge...what precisely is the work, how qualified and experienced are you? How much work is this client going to give you? Geographical areas has already been mentioned.

I personally do not offer a retention and prefer ad-hoc (fairer to the client IMO). On occasions...well, fairly frequently, I follow some of the big corporate organizations that provide a H&S advice line some manuals and an 'audit' (if you can call it that) I feel certain you know who I mean, there are at least four big players in this market. They charge an annual fee for a fixed term 3/4/5 year contract. Initial fees are of course higher, but settle down once the initial work is completed, and ultimately save the client many thousands over the 3/4/5 year period.

Much then for you to consider and decide upon. Good luck.

CFT
andymak  
#13 Posted : 01 May 2010 18:03:37(UTC)
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