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Just a bit of guidance please. This is not my area, I'm not acting as a consultant, but we have been asked to do some repairs to some lighting installed in a pit in a garage servicing commercial vehicles.
These are normally diesel powered, but nothing stopping a petrol engine powered vehicle being taken in there.
I have looked for guidance with regard to the classification of the pit area under DSEAR from HSE, but found nothing definitive, my initial gut feeling was it requires flame proof / explosion proof equipment, but this is not what I have seen in other locations of this type even newly installed ones. The existing equipment is standard linear fluorescent fittings.
If it has to be zoned I would zone it as a 2 under DSEAR, anyone else?
This really is NOT my area, that is an educated guess!
I normally don’t get involved but this is part of a much larger job that has been added on & I would rather not subcontract it as there is not much work out there!
I’ve been through hsg261, not sure whether to go through the DSEAR stuff or get a specialist in?
Any suggestions please?
I will be contacting our electrical controlling body also over this.
Thanks in advance.
Paul
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Paul,
The products of combustion, whether it be from petrol or diesel, will not ignite so you can have flourescent lights if you want. Its certainly not into DSEAR territory. So long as you are not dispensing gallons of petrol and vapours are collecting in the pit, which is unlikely, then you should be ok. Diesel vapours are very unlikely to ignite, if nigh on impossible. You might want to protect the lights from damage with a grid or other suitable guard.
Holmezy
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holmezy wrote:
Paul,
The products of combustion, whether it be from petrol or diesel, will not ignite so you can have flourescent lights if you want. Its certainly not into DSEAR territory. So long as you are not dispensing gallons of petrol and vapours are collecting in the pit, which is unlikely, then you should be ok. Diesel vapours are very unlikely to ignite, if nigh on impossible. You might want to protect the lights from damage with a grid or other suitable guard.
Holmezy
Holmezy,
Thanks for that, but that is not what HSE say in hsg261 though, which is why I became confused.
It's not about fumes, its about the collection of possible flammable vapours from solvents etc. as I understand it?
Thanks
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Approximately half a cup of petrol in the volume of the average inspection pit will create ideal conditions for flash-point fire/explosion. Do you really want to take that chance with ordinary electrical fittings?
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ron hunter wrote:Approximately half a cup of petrol in the volume of the average inspection pit will create ideal conditions for flash-point fire/explosion. Do you really want to take that chance with ordinary electrical fittings?
Ron,
No I didn't want to take the risk without checking my ideas with someone else, that was the reson for the post!
Mind, this is not your average pit!
it is around a metre wide and around 10m long, so a different volume to your average garage, but still it could be a problem!
Our PI does not cover me for hazardous areas so I think I'll be trying to sub the pit area out to another contractor who is covered.
Paul
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Paul
The HSE doc 803/71 is the specialist advice document.
Area Classification under Dsear, would recognise that Diesel does not produce flammable vapours at ambient temperatures [await global warming]. 803 suggests pits are Zone 2 where there is petrol or highly flammable automotive paints. However the owners (their legal duty to carry out the Dsear RA) may say "no petrol and no paint spraying" as controls in the workshop , therefore the pit is a 'Safe area'. In reality there is not a lot of difference between an outdoor weatherproof fitting and a zone 2 fitting. The ATEX test certificate costs the money.
If they say it is "safe" then an outdoor fitting is the best solution,just in case someone bring their car in on a Sat to drain the petrol tank!
Peter
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phow wrote:Paul
The HSE doc 803/71 is the specialist advice document.
Area Classification under Dsear, would recognise that Diesel does not produce flammable vapours at ambient temperatures [await global warming]. 803 suggests pits are Zone 2 where there is petrol or highly flammable automotive paints. However the owners (their legal duty to carry out the Dsear RA) may say "no petrol and no paint spraying" as controls in the workshop , therefore the pit is a 'Safe area'. In reality there is not a lot of difference between an outdoor weatherproof fitting and a zone 2 fitting. The ATEX test certificate costs the money.
If they say it is "safe" then an outdoor fitting is the best solution,just in case someone bring their car in on a Sat to drain the petrol tank!
Peter
Peter,
Tnaks very much, I had found those 2 docs and have been researching.
As you can see from my earlier post I took the area to be class 2, guess mind!
I have seen and worked with (supervised) class 2 fittings and with outdoor fittings myself and realised there was not much difference.
Thanks all, I feel I am now in a position to go back to the potential client and discuss this with him, his insurers and his H&S people with a bit more confidence.
Having read your posts I think I cannot make the decision either way, this will need to be done with the user.
The building is being repaired after a fire elsewhere, hence my caution, and, much of it is rented so the clients may change the use in the future.
This particular area is being used by the owners at the moment, but, that may change.
Thanks again all
Paul
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You might wish to consider what other activities or hazards exist in vehicle maintenance units. For example, it is common to find LPG fuelled space heaters. Worth remembering, as its not uncommon for leaks in supply pipes, poorly maintained heaters etc. My company therefore bans them from VMUs as the risk of LPG gas entering a pit is reasonably forseeable - not to mention the fire risk.
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