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Ian D  
#1 Posted : 11 March 2010 09:44:49(UTC)
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Ian D

Can anyone tell me, if we use single LED battery powered lights on in-store dispalys what BSEN, CE standards apply. Regards Ian
paul.skyrme  
#2 Posted : 11 March 2010 10:18:17(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Ian, Product standards and EAWR89 and other statutory safety legislation. BS7671 does not normally apply to only battery powered equipment. The equipment should be CE marked yes, and in doing that the manufacturer SHOULD be confirming that the product when used as per instructions complies with the relevant produt standards. Sorry I think that it comes back to RA again! Perhaps the possible failure modes could be considered, and an FMEA done to cover the cause and effects. Battery leakage, internal failure causing short circuit and overloading the battery causing overheating. The instructions should tell you if they are safe to mount on flammable surfaces and any clear distances etc. One thing to consider with battery leakage is contamination of foodstuffs, and other product and the possible clean up implications. HTH Paul
Ian D  
#3 Posted : 11 March 2010 10:48:22(UTC)
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Ian D

Hi Paul Thank you for your detailed response. Regards Ian
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 11 March 2010 22:54:22(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

A detailed response perhaps, however I question its accuracy. People like ASDA have summed up the answers for you Ian. Check this out: http://www.asdasupplier....%20SDA%20version%201.pdf You'll need to scroll down a few pages to find battery op. items.
paul.skyrme  
#5 Posted : 12 March 2010 06:33:15(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Ron, As far as I can see there is nothing in that document that contradicts the information which is in my reply. If the product is CE marked, then the manufacturer is making a legal statement that it complies with the CE marking directive, which in turn requires that it meets the relevant product standards. This is what I understood from my training with regard to this and the opinion and understanding myself and my colleagues took when we were undertaking product design and approval, it is also the advice that was given to us by our external “CE marking” consultancy house AKA “accredited laboratory”. That covers points 1 to 4 in the Asda document. That is what I put in my reply above. This document is with regard to selling products to Asda for sale, it does not cover their use. EAWR covers use of anything electrical regardless of voltage, from the battery in a torch to a nuclear power station. It may not be the only piece of legislation that applies, and there may be certain areas where other legislation applies or takes precedence. As I have read EAWR it does not cover the design of products for sale. As I read the OP it was with regard to use of the product. BS7671 covers the fixed wiring of low voltage electrical installations in buildings, my copy does not have anything in it with regard to self contained battery powered led lights, except emergency lighting. The OP did not mention emergency lighting. I don't see anything in the Asda document that contradicts these statements, nor do I find anything in those pieces of legislation or the guidance on them issued by HSE or the IET that contradicts the statements I have made. I then suggested that the OP undertake a risk assessment and mentioned a few possible failure modes that they may like to consider with regard to battery powered appliances. Some of these are mentioned in point 5 in the Asda publication. Point 6 of the Asda document is really concerned with ease of use more than safety in use as far as I can understand it so I fail to see how that contradicts what I have written? Point 7 relates to charging of batteries, I feel it reasonable to expect that an LED light which is a net consumer of energy would be unable to charge a battery whilst in its compartment. This may also be covered by the relevant product standards, which again does not contradict the advice I gave. Thus I cannot see you reason for doubting the technical validity of the advice I gave. If you can point out where my points are incorrect then I would be very interested to find out and more than willing to retract my statements. Paul
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