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Alex Petrie  
#1 Posted : 11 March 2010 22:21:07(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Hello all, Does anyone have any experience in planning hillwalks that involve multiple peaks? The scenario I have in mind is a small group of between 35-40 persons following recognised routes up a number of given mountains within the UK over a relatively short period of time. I do have a number of questions: What qualifications / experience would be considered suitable to lead such an event? What level of coordination do Mountain Rescue Teams expect, and how is this facilitated? Should the group be split up into smaller sections depending on ability? What means of communcation are recommended for such an event? Is there a recommended number of first aiders for a group of that size? I'm hoping that since this is now the 3rd time of posting it'll come up. Any advice or guidance will be appreciated. Many thanks. Alex
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 12 March 2010 00:53:31(UTC)
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firesafety101

I suppose you haven't had any replies up to now because it's not an "at work" function? 35-40 persons to me is not a small group. I suggest asking the mountain rescue teams in the areas you are going.
ajb  
#3 Posted : 12 March 2010 08:17:32(UTC)
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ajb

Try the British Mountaineering Council website. Also the Mountain Leader Training's National Guidelines for Climbing and Walking Leaders which can be downloaded from there or at http://www.mltuk.org/doc.../national-guidelines.pdf
Clairel  
#4 Posted : 12 March 2010 08:49:07(UTC)
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Clairel

As others have said this doesn't sound like a work activity but I'm in a generous mood and passionate about the outdoors. Aside form the fact that I actually am against such events because there are so many of these taking place now tnat it is causing a real headache in terms of erosion. Really need more info to advise you as that can make a huge difference. First off I assume you are not organising this for paying guests (in which case you want mountain leader qualifications) more that you are organising this as some sort of charity event for work colleagues or similar? Can you give more indication of what context this walk is taking place? Which peaks are you referring to?Potentially which routes too. What is a relatively short space of time? Who are these people (indication of fitness, health and experience)? I assume we are talking about amateur walks up paths rather than challenging mountaineering peaks? My initial thoughts would be that 40 people in one group is way too big. Completely unamanageable at that size and indivdual group members would get fed up anway, waiting for others. Mountain rescue are volunteers and they do not have the time to coordinate every charity or other event. Comms will depend on where you are going. Mountain first aid is preferable just because doing first aid in the outdoors is a bit more ad hoc. Don't think you'll have anyone with that though.No requirement for first aiders for a non work activity. From a sensible point of veiw someone in each group with first aid knoweldge and definately a first aid kit suitable to the mountains in each group. More info and then you can get more help!
Safety Smurf  
#5 Posted : 12 March 2010 09:38:44(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

And don't rely solely on mobile phones for comms without checking network coverage first. I agree with others that group size is way too big. Different people have different abilties and a group that size will be impossible to manage because after a few hours it will be stretched out over a mile long at least. I would consider splitting them up into groups of no more than five with a competent leader in each group
wizzpete  
#6 Posted : 12 March 2010 10:04:35(UTC)
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wizzpete

You really will need to consider what you want to achieve with these walks and as other people have already mentioned, reduce the group sizes down with competent leaders. Don't forget the time of year and just because you intend to walk along recognised routes that is no reason not to be adequately prepared with everyone walking having the right Clothing and Equipment and a proper Safety plan in place. Weather conditions can change rapidly on mountains and high peaks and so don't rely on the weather reports when deciding what is appropriate kit to take - assume the worst! Too many people suffer injuries, or worse, from simply being ill-prepared. I don't mean to sound heavy handed or patronising but it sounds like you may lack the experience to be organising such an event and so I would seek further specific advice based on your detailed plan.
Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#7 Posted : 12 March 2010 11:13:02(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

Alex, Go out and buy a copy of Country Walking AND copy of Trail then sift through the adds for group walks, contact the advertisers for advice. Badger
jacquiburt  
#8 Posted : 12 March 2010 11:26:18(UTC)
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jacquiburt

Hi Alex, You might also want to have a look at the HSE website on adventure activities licensing http://www.hse.gov.uk/aala/index.htm They have information on licenced providers
Alex Petrie  
#9 Posted : 13 March 2010 00:10:58(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

All, Thanks very much to those who took the time to respond. I'm not involved in the planning of this event; it's a group from a voluntary organisation who are attempting some fundraising. Rest assured I do have a fair amount of outdoor experience and decided to ask a couple of questions to reassure myself that my concerns were justifiable. During conversation with one of the interested persons it was suggested there was not a great deal of proper organisation being undertaken. I was curious to see if anyone else had had experience in a similar event. The group size of 40 is the maximum which it could be - the number of people initially interested was around this figure however once they found out what was involved ... as you can imagine some have pulled out. That said, in my experience 40 isn't an unmanageable group size provided you have robust arrangements in place; and in regard to comms I had thought that small radios should be used. Since this isn't a commercial undertaking, and given the type of walking, mountain leader qualifications is a nice-to-have in my opinion. Those running the event have experience too, and are arranging a number of walks as a build-up to the main event, and are in the process of sorting participants into groups based on fitness. Your feedback has been useful - especially the National Guidelines from the British Mountaineering Council, so thanks for that. Many thanks. Alex
Bob Howden  
#10 Posted : 15 March 2010 14:01:29(UTC)
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Bob Howden

It's also worth noting that there is still an awful lot of snow lying on the peaks at the moment. Anybody venturing on any high level walks at this time should be prepared for this.
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