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Eguakhide37673		#1 Posted : 27 April 2010 12:18:55(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		I have been asked by my church to help complete the fire risk assessment for the building and i am not sure where to start from. can anybody help?
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shaunmckeever		#2 Posted : 27 April 2010 12:31:01(UTC)
Rank: Guest		I would start by reading this - Fire safety (Employees’ Capabilities) (England) Regulations 2010. You may not be an employee but the rules would still apply.

ahoskins		#3 Posted : 27 April 2010 13:05:28(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		There is guidance available from most denominations' websites, but I would be careful that you have sufficient competence to carry the out. I did mine, but all our buildings are quite small and of simple layout. I would not personally attempt anything more complex. Obviously I don't know your background, so I hope I have not offended you... :-) A
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martinw		#4 Posted : 27 April 2010 13:07:33(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		http://www.communities.g...ons/fire/firesafetyrisk7 should give you a free download of a useful document in relation to this. regards Martin
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pete48		#5 Posted : 27 April 2010 17:46:50(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Try this link to a simple approach and example. You will, of course, need to decide whether it meets your needs. http://www.churchsafety....oads/pdf/is_f_assess.pdf
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bob youel		#6 Posted : 28 April 2010 07:43:21(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		apart from being one of the team my advice is that you should not act as the facilitator or competent person and take note of the good advice already given
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firesafety101		#7 Posted : 28 April 2010 23:28:46(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		shaunmckeever wrote: I would start by reading this - Fire safety (Employees’ Capabilities) (England) Regulations 2010. You may not be an employee but the rules would still apply. I agree. A colleague of mine has recently attended the fire service college for a one day fire risk assessment course. At he end of the training he was advised to stick to "small" premises", i.e. single storey office type premises.
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jwk		#8 Posted : 29 April 2010 14:29:46(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		'2. Every employer must, in entrusting tasks to employees, take into account their capabilities as regards health and safety, so far as those capabilities relate to fire.' Anybody got any idea what that means? 'take into account'; 'Yes your honour, I took the fact that x was totally ignorant of any safety matters into account, and decided it didn't matter....' John
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MaxPayne		#9 Posted : 29 April 2010 15:13:23(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		jwk wrote: '2. Every employer must, in entrusting tasks to employees, take into account their capabilities as regards health and safety, so far as those capabilities relate to fire.' Anybody got any idea what that means? 'take into account'; 'Yes your honour, I took the fact that x was totally ignorant of any safety matters into account, and decided it didn't matter....' John John, Think it's the legal bods term for just making sure that you don't appoint that ignorant person in serious matters of safety. I suppose the sort of thing it would cover in terms of competence might be say a safety professional who had competently carried out FRA in social housing being asked to undertake the same FRA in a oil refinery; all a case of horses for courses and the right know-how.
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jwk		#10 Posted : 29 April 2010 15:21:32(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Max, I think my problem is that there is no agreed standard for fire safety risk assessors, fire safety managers or anything; taking capabilities into account is one thing, but what level of capability is expected? These regs go no way at all towards explaining what we need to know, all they do is restate stuff that's already in MHSR, and if you read the guidance note it says exactly that, John
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firesafety101		#11 Posted : 29 April 2010 16:07:01(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Could be down to the cash. Whet do you get if you pay peanuts?
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chris4347		#12 Posted : 29 April 2010 17:34:43(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		If your asking where to start you obdviously have had no training in fire risk assessment therefore would you consider yourself competent to carry out a fire risk assessment for a public premisis. It may be worthwile completing some training before jumping in at the deep. Regards
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