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Berm  
#1 Posted : 07 May 2010 20:35:33(UTC)
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Berm

Ok, so you are carrying out your Coshh assessment you have an up to date MSDS. Where do you find the exposure limit if it is not on the MSDS or on HSE EH40 list. Are their other options for you to use to find the hazardous make up of the substance.
Guru  
#2 Posted : 07 May 2010 22:03:39(UTC)
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Guru

Contact the suppliers or manufacturer where necessary for additional information on chemicals etc.



Gray Batchelder  
#3 Posted : 08 May 2010 01:34:15(UTC)
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Gray Batchelder

Last posting is correct, but sometimes the data from the manufacture’s data is not entirely useful for health and safety. I am based in the USA, so this may not be appropriate for you country...You could look at other counties limits, including USA and Canada. These are legal limits in their respective jurisdictions, however generally derived by science and perhaps a bit dated, so they can be useful. There are also scientifically set guidelines such as by NIOSH and the ACGIH. You may not be in fact, restricted from developing your own limits, as long as you have someone qualified. I have generated Material Safety Data Sheets for a previous employer with the help of a toxicologist, including setting scientific exposure limits. There is no shortage of scientific literature which the limits are set from. No shortage of limits out there.

Cheers
stephendclarke  
#4 Posted : 08 May 2010 13:29:19(UTC)
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stephendclarke

Hi,
I think your COSHH assessment should set in-house standards, as mentioned above manufacturers should be able to offer some advice, you might also be able to obtain information from USA, EU and other national occupational health sites and scientific journals many of which are open access. The following two publications might also be useful.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg173.pdf

http://www.coshh-essentials.org.uk/

Regards
Steve
chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 10 May 2010 09:13:52(UTC)
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chris.packham

Your posting raises a number of points.

Firstly, exposure limits are only applicable for inhalation. They do not apply to the other two routes of exposure (ingestion and dermal).
Secondly, safety data sheets are for CHIP, not COSHH. They normally only show those constituents for which there are one or more risk phrases. Pargraph 13 of the ACoP for COSHH points out that this is not sufficient for COSHH. This is particularly the case for skin exposure. There are literally thousands of chemicals that do not have risk phrases but that, in contact with the skin, can cause damage to health. (Note, damage to health, not just skin disease!)
Thirdly, as an example of the above I can quote you at least five common sensitisers, so common that they are in most catalogues of patch test chemicals for the contact dermatitis clinic, that have not been listed as R43. They will not, therefore, generally be shown on the safety data sheet.
Fourthly, however, all is not lost! If you refer to the original Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 you will find in section 6-1 a requirement for the supplier to provide you with information on how to use his product safely for the purpose for which it has been supplied. So I always suggest that the person doing the risk assessment contacts the supplier to request information compliant with this part of the Act. Whether they are able to provide this information is, of course, another story!!
Chris
Steve SJP RM  
#6 Posted : 10 May 2010 09:52:17(UTC)
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Steve SJP RM

I agree with Chris having completed assessments myself for companys but what is not forth coming from suppliers is the "WEL" levels.
Kate  
#7 Posted : 10 May 2010 10:34:58(UTC)
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Kate

But WELs are in EH40. If it's not in EH40 it hasn't got a WEL.
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 10 May 2010 11:28:52(UTC)
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chris.packham

Kate

It might not have an individual WEL, but as I understand it (and this is not my particular area of expertise) there could be a generic WEL applicable, e.g. dust not otherwise specified.

Incidentally, there is evidence to show that allergic contact dermatitis in a previously sensitised person can occur due to airborne exposure to a skin sensitiser at below the WEL. So merely being under the WEL does not mean adequately controlled!

Chris
Kate  
#9 Posted : 10 May 2010 11:47:52(UTC)
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Kate

Dust is of course in EH40.
chris.packham  
#10 Posted : 10 May 2010 12:27:48(UTC)
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chris.packham

Kate

You are, of course, correct. However, I was trying to relate my comments to the original query, i.e. if there is no WEL shown on the safety data sheet, where would I find one. I often find that as there is no WEL shown in the list of constituents the assumption is made that there isn't one that needs to be applied. For example, you will not usually find a WEL for stainless steel (chrome-nickel-steel) as the sensitising constituents are not bioavailable. However, it can occur when the metal is welded.

It underlines again the need to look beyond what is on the safety data sheet when doing a risk assessment.

Chris
Kate  
#11 Posted : 10 May 2010 12:40:14(UTC)
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Kate

My point is that all WELs are in EH40. If a substance doesn't have a WEL you may set an internal limit or guidance value based on other information such as already discussed - but that limit won't be a WEL, which is a legally binding limit.
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