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Hi Safety Folk
We have 8 drivers who operate Mercedes Sprinter vans, 3 of them are complaining about back pain and are saying its the van seats, 1 has been operating the van for 2.5 years the other 2 about 18 months.
I have Googled to see if there is an issue with the seats and have drawn a blank, has anyone else heard of or experienced this issue?
Its difficult to know if I have got a few guys who are using this as an excuse to get out of the vans or I have a potential real issue.
There are thousands of these vans in use in the UK and our Transport Manager has never come across the issue.
Thanks for any thoughts
Mike
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I haven't seen anything on this particular issue and most of the research I am aware of is on seat belt use or non use and its effects in a collision.
I did a paper some time ago when we had a similar issue in a particular type of LGV not directly related I know but principles are the same. But from memory there were so many variables that it could not be put down to one particular cause age and sex being just a couple of the issues.
I will come back to you.....:)
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we had a similar complaint once which was largely based on the guy trying to put pressure on us to get a new vehicle as a number in the fleet were being replaced at the end of the lease period. We took a kind of DSE approach, sat him in the vehicle and made him adjust the seat position until he was comfortable. Since our chaps are in/out frequently and only travel between jobs our next option would have involved an occupational health referral, but the issue went away.
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We operate a number of these vans and as far as I know without any complaints, will check though and if any issues will come back to you.
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Are your vans fitted with bulkheads and are the people complaining on the tall side. It might not be the seat itself but more to do with the fact that it can't be positioned in a suitable position for the taller driver. i had similar issue with a VW van i used to drive where i could get my leg into a comfortable position on the accelerator and started to get a pain going up my leg and eventually due to the uncomfortable position then it also affected my back.
we ended up repositioning the bulkhead so the seat could be move further back which helped a lot. Might be worth consideration.
Phil
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have you got someone who can do an ergonomics assessment along the lines of a DSE assessment only for vehicles.
Phil
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Thanks for your thoughts, it does appear that we do not have a design issue with the seating, we plan to do an assessment with the users inline with the DSE style assessment and see what comes from that.
Mike
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Found my presentations...
Back pain is common amongst drivers and there are several reasons for this:
driving forces prolonged sitting in a fixed posture; transference of vibration and loss of spine support due to a poorly fitting seat.
Recommendations (in addition to those for general seating):
•Good visibility of the road should be possible, together with a good view of all the instruments.
•The driver should be able to reach all of the controls (pedals and hand controls) without stretching.
•The body should be supported and muscular effort minimised to allowing the driver to concentrate on the driving task.
•Shaping and padding should allow good distribution of body weight over the seat.
•Vibration and shock transfer should be minimised.
In order to minimise discomfort, the driver's seat should also offer as many adjustable features as possible. The most important ones are:
•Backwards and forwards adjustment of the seat,
•Backrest angle adjustment,
•Seat height adjustment – ideally independently adjustable at the front and rear of the seat,
•Seat angle adjustment,
•Adjustable lumbar (lower back) support - up/down and in/out,
•Headrest adjustment - vertical, horizontal and tilt.
The more adjustable features within the car (e.g. steering wheel adjustment in/out, up/down and tilt), the greater the likelihood of the driver achieving good and comfortable postures. But any posture, no matter how good it is, can lead to discomfort if it is held for too long. Therefore, it is important to adopt a range of comfortable driving positions and to make frequent stops to avoid, or help delay, the onset of discomfort. Ease of use of any adjustable feature is therefore crucial.
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Should also say that some seat manufacturers usually build seats to the 95%ile for males in the survey country...
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Good reply by SteveDM - I think the lumbar support is very important.
We had a chap who had a back problem - until we changed the vehicle (it was coming to the end of its lease) we purchased a posture seat cushion thing which helped greatly. Can't remember the Company but google posture and seating and you should get some options.
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