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cres  
#1 Posted : 17 June 2010 11:09:16(UTC)
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cres

Hi all, Legally is some one considered competent enough to give advice and training on health and safety/ fire risk assessments to small companies 20 people or less if they have the following: 6 yrs health and safety experience, 10 yrs relevant industry experience, Nebosh National General, Nebosh Fire safety and Risk Management, City and Guides 7303 PPTLS, NVQ 3 Occupational Safety and Health is TechIOSH and currently studying for diploma? Its just I have been asked by a small company to help set up from scratch their health and safety as they currently have none they simply can not afford most consultant rates and for me as I am all ready employed and this would be just a bit extra I can help them out. It wouldn’t be steeling business away from a local consultancy as the company will simply continue to bumble along with no assistance if I do not help them. I realize I need insurances but I just wanted to know what the general feeling was. Should all consultants be CMIOSH or is it acceptable for consultants advising small low risk businesses to be TechIOSH.??
Juan Carlos Arias  
#2 Posted : 17 June 2010 11:22:28(UTC)
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Juan Carlos Arias

With the training and experience you specify and the size of the organisation, IMO I'd say you are competent enough to undertake the task. Obviously if you do, don't be afraid of recognising your limitations and get additional help if you think you need it at any time along the process.
Safety Smurf  
#3 Posted : 17 June 2010 11:34:46(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

I'd be inclined to agree with Juan. My only reservation would be dependent on what this small company actually does. cres, would you enlighten us?
Dazzling Puddock  
#4 Posted : 17 June 2010 11:50:23(UTC)
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Dazzling Puddock

Should all consultants be CMIOSH or is it acceptable for consultants advising small low risk businesses to be TechIOSH.?? It would be acceptable for consultants to be neither!! There is a world of competency out with the IOSH framework!! Competency means being competent not that you have the correct letters after your name!
m  
#5 Posted : 17 June 2010 12:25:57(UTC)
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m

For the task defined I would consider you competent - at least on paper; I am at about the same as you. The trouble with qualifications is that they can show that you are good at exams. My son has some shocking teachers that all have degrees and teaching qualifications. References will contribute to the competent debate as evidence.
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 17 June 2010 12:30:53(UTC)
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RayRapp

Cres It would also be good experience for you. Despite what some may think I believe there are some merits in taking on something which one has little experience in, otherwise we would never learn new tricks would we? Go for it.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 17 June 2010 13:07:53(UTC)
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bob youel

you have already demonstrated competence by asking the question in the first place Best of luck
Clairel  
#8 Posted : 17 June 2010 13:48:31(UTC)
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Clairel

What a bizarre response Bob. Asking whether you are competent makes you competent?? So I have no environmental expereince but if I ask on this forum, do you think I'm competent enough to help a company with their environemntal issues, becuase I am asking the question that makes me competent? I do think I actually understand where you are coming from - perhaps more that being able to recognise that you have limitations is an important part of competence. But that in itself doesn't make you competent.
bob youel  
#9 Posted : 17 June 2010 14:43:18(UTC)
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bob youel

I should have said; you have already demonstrated some competence by asking the question in the first place
cres  
#10 Posted : 17 June 2010 14:49:02(UTC)
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cres

Hi, Thank you everyone for your comments they have been a real help. I will of course not advise in any areas that I am not experience or competant to do so. Thanks once again, Cres
Clairel  
#11 Posted : 17 June 2010 15:08:47(UTC)
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Clairel

bob youel wrote:
I should have said; you have already demonstrated some competence by asking the question in the first place
Fair enough!
Captain Scarlet  
#12 Posted : 17 June 2010 15:10:10(UTC)
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Captain Scarlet

cres wrote:
Hi all, Legally is some one considered competent enough to give advice and training on health and safety/ fire risk assessments to small companies 20 people or less if they have the following: 6 yrs health and safety experience, 10 yrs relevant industry experience, Nebosh National General, Nebosh Fire safety and Risk Management, City and Guides 7303 PPTLS, NVQ 3 Occupational Safety and Health is TechIOSH and currently studying for diploma? Its just I have been asked by a small company to help set up from scratch their health and safety as they currently have none they simply can not afford most consultant rates and for me as I am all ready employed and this would be just a bit extra I can help them out. It wouldn’t be steeling business away from a local consultancy as the company will simply continue to bumble along with no assistance if I do not help them. I realize I need insurances but I just wanted to know what the general feeling was. Should all consultants be CMIOSH or is it acceptable for consultants advising small low risk businesses to be TechIOSH.??
Cres: I would say you are more than competent to deliver "awareness" training, where no certification is required. Once they are in a position to go for any level of accreditation then bring in the consultant, and certifying body. As far as insurance, as you know it is a legal form of crime, and I am sure there will be a need for some in one form or another. Advice is exactly that.... advice, I would say knock yourself out and go for it!! CMIOSH / TechIOSH / GradIOSH / GoodGOSH, just titles and nothing to do with consultancy.
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