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We have issued our outdoor workers with safety-sunglasses as they are directing traffic and may be faced with direct sunlight at times.
I am aware that the company pays for an eye sight test if persons are using VDU’s and will pay upto a certain sum for glasses if for use with VDU’s.
With regards to safety sunglasses - how much is the company obliged to pay towards a pair of prescription sunglasses?
Thanks
Jon
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Two parts to this - cost of the eyetest and cost of the glasses.
I believe the answer is you are not obliged to pay anything at all towards the eyetest in this situation. My reasoning is:
1. Only those employees who already wear glasses will need prescription sunglasses
2. They will already have had an eyetest for their normal glasses, which are not PPE
3. Their optician will therefore be able to provide the sunglasees without an extra eyetest
4. Even if you have a "preferred opticiain" they will almost certainly make up prescription glasses to the employee's current prescription if provided with the correct information. This has certainly been my experience in this situation.
The obligation for the glasses themselves is that the company should make free glasses available and it seems reasonable to give a choice of types to allow wearer comfort as you would do with any other PPE and as you presumably do with VDU glasses. I would give a choice of two or three basic styles of sunglasses, which are free and then if people want something more "fashionable" they can pay the additional cost. You need to consider what you will do for someone who wears varifocals as this can be expensive but must be included.
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Many thanks for the reply Heather.
My concern is – I have carried out a risk assessment and I have identified that staff need to wear sunglasses to have clear vision whilst directing traffic on a public highway. We have issued a number of non-glasses wearers with safety glasses as a trail (3 different types) but persons that require glasses for everyday use have raised the question “what will we be getting?”. There are “clip on” type lenses which work over their prescribed glasses or go the whole hog and pay towards a pair of sunglasses. I was always thought that there was a specific sum that the company pays up too?
I have also the same question for a number of our electricians. Previous risk assessments state that they need to wear “suitable safety glasses” but they have never been issued with prescribed safety glasses…..?
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If you are issuing such kit as PPE then the employer pays inclusive of perscription costs where they are needed as if not such kit would not be PPE
If there is an accident and it was shown that such kit issued by an employer helped cause an accident because it was not to a perscription standard when such a standard was needed then imagin the employers situation at that time
You can now get very good perscription glasses at proper costs - I have never paid >£30.00 for a pair of perscription glasses for myself nor my staff and I can now souce them for substancially less £ than that!
NB: This 'who pays' issue is going to be a big thing in the near future re driving as new laws etc come in shortly and many drivers will need perscription glasses just to pass their test/keep up to date
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Thanks Bob
Could you recommend any good places for perscription glasses?
I agree - I feel times to ahead are going to be very "up in the air" with alot of grey areas......
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There's no specific sum in law Jon.
What you have to ensure is that if you require employees to wear any type of PPE it is available free of charge. Your risk assessment has to determine that it's suitable for the task, gives adequate protection and must take wearer comfort into account.
The usual approach with prescription glasses provied either for DSE users or as safety glasses / sunglasses for those who already wear ordinary glasses is to provide a choice of two or three basic frame types - the cost will depend on which optician you use - and then allow employees to pay more if they want something different.
If you don't use a specific optician but simply allow your employees to buy glasses from their own optician then it's up to you to set a reasonable sum that will allow everyone to have the whole cost covered if they choose basic frames. You need to make the policy very clear before people start buying designer glasses and claiming their refunds! To be honest the "preferred optician" option with one of the companies that does the voucher system is much easier to administer.
Of course if your risk assessment determines that clip-ons are adequate then that's fine. I'd be surprised if it does though!
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bob youel wrote:
NB: This 'who pays' issue is going to be a big thing in the near future re driving as new laws etc come in shortly and many drivers will need perscription glasses just to pass their test/keep up to date
Bob, can you possibly expand? What will change and how? Does it mean that working drivers will need to be provided with sunglasses?
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Issue your spectacle wearers with clip-on shades John?
Any particular reason you went with "safety" sunglasses?
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Driving and glasses
The [very] basics: A new eyesight requirement via a new [new to the UK] system is being brought in for commercial drivers and the test will be undertaken under the EU and not the current UK standard [& rightly so in my opinion!]
The fear is that many drivers are currently driving with poor eyesight and will fail the test. Therefore employer is then left with drivers who cannot drive so 'who foots the bill for perscription glasses' will be the question
I am lead to believe that the driver must pay for this test themselves
This is probably 1 for HR as common sense must come in for future recruitment but for those already working for a business the employer may have to make some hard decisions
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Hi Ron,
We have given the clip on shades a go but they are a bit flimsy on certain frames.
The reason I have referred to them as safety sunglasses is because they are manufactured by “Bolle” and referred to within the catalogue as a safety sunglasses. They are the “wrap around” design which helps prevent debris entering the eyes. I feel the reason the staff choose these particular glasses over the others on trail is due to the design (fairly stylish). I am a firm believer if you have good fitting and looking kit people tend to perform safer and are more willing to wear PPE.
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If you've assessed the risk and determined that they need safety glasses then that's that. They must have them and at no cost penalty to the employee. You on the other hand are only required to pay for a product that complies with the minimum standard, i.e. BS/EN ????. If the employee wants to wear a top brand then they must pay the difference between the standart supplied by your company and the new higher cost.
Also don't forget that the company writes the cost of PPE off to TAX and is therefore recoverable.
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