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Safety Smurf  
#1 Posted : 28 June 2010 11:58:29(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Ok, I know there isn't one as such but I've been asked to prepare a procedure to provide extra breaks and cold drinks to staff in hot weather. As the company will be paying for the soft drinks, I'm looking for some guidance on what is considered hot. We already have an opposite procedure for cold weather but in that case the the minimums are specified. I have read somewhere that upper temps have been unoffically suggested but can't think where or what they were. It's for small warehouses with trade counters with some office work. I am aware that I should be trying to control the temperature but that is notoriously difficult in 1 warehouse let alone 150 in the retail sector. Any help on at what temperature to implement the procedure would be very much appreciated.
Bob Shillabeer  
#2 Posted : 28 June 2010 12:38:59(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

You are quite correct there is no maximum temperature in law. Therefore you should simply look to ensure there is no risk of heat stroke. I suggest you arrange to supply cool water drinks by using a water fountain with bottled water. I don't know how much this will cost but there are a number of companies who are in this market and I am sure they will advise. Strategic placement of these drinks machines will solve you problem but remember the human body is best operating between quite narrow temperatures and the way to control this is through drinking water preferably cool not cold water as and when it is needed. Remember the human body has its own temerature control system called persparation and it is this water that needs to be replenished. So provide cool water and let nature take its course.
Bob Shillabeer  
#3 Posted : 28 June 2010 12:41:10(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

By the way forgot to mention you will need to set a temperature at which you will make this available, but how do you know when that is? It is quite simple really, just make the water available and let those who need it decide.
m  
#4 Posted : 28 June 2010 12:41:13(UTC)
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m

Back in 2002 the TUC were advocating a maximum working temperature of 30oC, or 27oC for those doing strenuous work http://www.tuc.org.uk/h_and_s/tuc-5385-f0.cfm
fouldsyfoulds  
#5 Posted : 28 June 2010 12:45:26(UTC)
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fouldsyfoulds

Hi Safety Smurf I am in the warehousing and distribution sector so am suffering similar issues with the current heat. I remember completing a HSE survey last year looking at max working temps but the figures that were being looking at were around 30 degrees C, once the general temperature is above 24/25 degrees people are going to start feeling it and complaining, so I do not think any regulation change is going to help much. We offer staff cold water to keep them hydrated but use large floor standing fans, this creates air flow and although does not reduce the actual temperature does give some relief. They are available form a large well known DIY store that ends in Q. Good luck, if it helps tell them that its due to be raining by Friday. Mike
PH2  
#6 Posted : 28 June 2010 12:46:38(UTC)
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PH2

Hi, The HSE suggest that 30 degrees C is the upper temperature that most people find acceptable. Here is a link to their article. http://www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/thermal/faq.htm PH2
chris.packham  
#7 Posted : 28 June 2010 13:58:50(UTC)
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chris.packham

It is not just temperature but also relative humidity that is important when considering environmental effects on the human body. Relative humidity will affect how well the body can lose excessive heat through sweating. According to Occupational Health (Harrington, Gill, Aw and Gardiner, fourth edition) "...sweating ceases to be an effective means of heat loss at ambient temperature above 37 deg. C, at a relative humidity of 80% or greater". I had personal experience of this many years ago when working in Libya. On the coast, where relative humidity was very high, you could feel uncomfortable at temperatures 10 dec or more less than in the interior of the desert, where the relative humidity was much lower. Chris
wainwrightbagger  
#8 Posted : 28 June 2010 16:32:27(UTC)
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wainwrightbagger

Hi SafetySmurf, I put together a managers guide - nothing rocket science about it at all, just a flow chart of HSE based advice with some basic sound principles, you're welcome for a look-see if you let me have some contact details.
Safety Smurf  
#9 Posted : 28 June 2010 16:38:32(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Thanks Wainwrightbagger, You've got mail!
JESU  
#10 Posted : 29 June 2010 10:02:53(UTC)
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JESU

In the middle east its 50 Degree C, all works has to suspended if the temperature hits 50..its gona holiday. We have mandatory noon break from 1230 Hrs to 1530 Hrs, this is a legal requirement for 3 months in the summer. ORS, ion drinks can be supplied for rehydration. Cool room/cabin can be provided for guy who get hydrated. Reg. Jesu
Nick House  
#11 Posted : 30 June 2010 15:31:15(UTC)
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Hi all Some advice on a similar scanario would be most welcome. Scenario: 1st floor modern office (less than 5 years old). Full height glazing to front (south facing), no other windows. Top half of windows open outwards (hinged from top) by about 10 - 15 degrees. Windows also have vertical blinds (usually closed due to sunlight/ glare issues). Temperature on visit today is currently +25 degrees. Minimal air movement (although the windows were open, as the blinds were closed, this stopped most of the incoming airflow...). There are 4 people in this office, with 2 pedestal fans. Air con was recommended last year by my predecessor, but this was not taken up for some reason. If aircon is not forthcoming this time round, are there any alternative arrangements that may be able to be put in place? There is a rest room area on the ground floor, that is markedly cooler, so additional rest breaks is a possibility, there is also a small kitchenette on the ground floor, and a water cooler in the main office on the first floor. Any advice most welcome.
grim72  
#12 Posted : 30 June 2010 15:36:48(UTC)
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grim72

I'd probably start with tinting the glass - at least that way you would be able to keep the blinds open? I'd guess that aircon was rejected due to costs?
chris.packham  
#13 Posted : 30 June 2010 16:23:07(UTC)
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chris.packham

Are the blinds simple material ones and it is this that stops the air flow? If so, why not replace them with slatted blinds. These can be adjusted to prevent sun but allow air to circulate. Not a total solution, obviously, but one measure that might be of some help. Chris
Nick House  
#14 Posted : 30 June 2010 17:05:30(UTC)
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Hi guys Many thanks. I've thought of the window film - will investigate costs tomorrow. The blinds are fabric - it might be worthwile investigating the 'venetian' style, but with the size of the windows, that would probably come in at around the same as a cassette aircon unit... I've got a feeling this is going to run and run...
Clairel  
#15 Posted : 30 June 2010 17:35:05(UTC)
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Clairel

Air con for 4 people? Doesn't sound cost effective to me. And as I keep saying many people don't actually like air con and so would complaing about the air con. Personally I don't think 25+ deg is excessive heat. It's not pleasant but hey it's uncomnfortable in most places during the heat. It's not like the 50+deg quoted by jesu. Do what you can but don't go overboard. Fans perhaps, blinds if possible but then you have the light problem (artirficial light creates it's own problems). 25+ isn't gonna kill them. I bet that's what they crank the heating up to in winter anyway!
stephendclarke  
#16 Posted : 30 June 2010 19:08:18(UTC)
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stephendclarke

Hi, I remember working in the 80s when the summer temp often reached 32/33 deg C inside at which point the GC/MS equipment I was running would not operate effectively. When I worked for an LA our building surveyors were very keen on tinted window films which are reported to reduce transmitted heat, always looks like there are storm clouds overhead though. Along with the above the following ideas might help: • Can staff work from home? • Is drinking water readily available? • Can fans be provided? • Switch off unused electrical equipment. • Can natural ventilation be increased by opening doors/windows etc? • Allow staff to wear casual clothes. • Change working day e.g. early start, later finish, longer lunch break. • Switch off unused electrical equipment. • Is it possible to move staff away from south facing windows/rooms during really hot periods? Regards Steve
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