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Hi,
I need some guidance on fire extinguishers, we have some with metal handles and some with plastic handles. Some handles are black and some are red. Is there an article or piece of legislation that I can refer to that would help me understand what needs to be replaced or what I need to do in order to comply with current legislation?
Cheers
Will
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Will
Get a copy or borrow from the library BS EN 3 part 7
or obtain the services of a reputable company or individual providing fire extinguisher maintenance.
BTW colour of handle will have no impact.
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BLEVE yet again is right. You can have any colour handle. In fact, some companies have started colour coding the handles to match the appropriate coding specified in EN3.
Black for CO2
Cream for AFFF
Blue for Powder etc.
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Your fire extinguisher company should be taking care of this on their annual vists so they are best places to recommend. But yes what has been said above is correct. One thing to watch is if the whole handle and the part that screw into the extinguishers are plastic as these should either be replaced or at least checked by the engineer as there are issue of them failing due to the material they are made off.
Phil
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I wish the colour of fire extinguisher handles was all I had to worry about.
Not wishing to come across as 'having ago' - but really!
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Don't see any problem with someone asking for reference document relating to pfe requirements myself.
Can any of us say we no all there is to know
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I think ITER was posting a sarcastic comment, Clearly he has a long way to go before the colour of the fire extinguisher handles will be top of his list. Lol
Phil
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Many thanks folks for your advice (apart from ITER), we are in the process of changing our contract as the previous supplier had given us several contradictory pieces of information that didn't add up!
Take care folks, enjoy the weather!
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Slightly off topic but with respect to appointing fire extinguisher contractors, I met a fire extinguisher service engineer from a well known organisation. He told me that he was told to condemn 5% of the extinguishers he inspected to generate turnover. Whether that is true or not I don't know but on hearing about it the company I was visiting decided to split the maintenance and purchase of extinguishers between two companies, one would supply and one would maintain. So if the service engineer condemned an extinguisher it would be the rival company that supplied the new extinguisher.
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Shaun,
I have had first hand experience of similar dodgy practices and think that is a cracking idea.
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Apologies if I've told this tale before, but I have had the opposite problem to Shaun: during a routine audit I found two extinguishers that had been inspected, serviced and failed: The engineer had neatly written "FAILED" on the label, signed it, and put the extinguisher back on the in-service hook!
Unfortunately the extinguishers were in a landlord-controlled part of the building - within our area we use a different, apparently reliable contractor, but in that area the landlord controls the contractor and the landlord is the only one who sees the service reports.
In context, sadly dodgy fire extinguisher maintenance is not the biggest issue my colleagues and I have with that landlord, so it's just one more thing on the list.
(and yes before anyone says it...I know FE maintenance is a big deal - just that it still isn't the biggest...)
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shaun
I am dealing with a similar problem perhaps from the same well known supplier who I believe is short changing a customer who has 1000+ extinguishers on full contract.
I really like you idea and will definitely pass this on
In a mainly office environment, I wonder if anyone has any idea or data as to the % of true failures that one could expect following a service visit??
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1994 I was between jobs and trained with a fire engineering company as a fire inspector, mostly small shops and small businesses, it was cold calling and pay was on a commission basis only.
I trained alongside the people who would do the fire extinguisher service and maintenance and we were all told to service all extinguishers in the back of the van, that way the customer was unable to see what we did, i.e. bash the pressure gauge with a hammer and organise a replacement that we provided.
Fortunately that company has since gone out of business but it would not surprise me if the directors are still in business.
Shaun's info should be taken on board by everyone, or have a current employee trained in service and maintenance, I did some years ago and that certainly worked.
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Like some of you last year in my new company I discovered the fire extinguisher company which had been running for 30+ years and subsequently some 200 buildings were not at all compliant . I have now discovered a gem of a company (who will cover the Sussex, Kent and London areas and maybe even further not sure of their full area coverage) who are unbelievably genuine. If you are need any further info please contact me.
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Ha - I haven't come across this personally with extinguishers (there are only a couple of reputable fire system maintenance companies I utilise in Perth/WA and these have some major, but very "touchy," clients that would drop them on a dime if they suspected anything untoward going on) but did have something similar with a large firm that inspected & serviced our first aid kits at a previous employer..
When I started in an OH&S Coordinator role with that company I did an audit of our first aid facilities and was amazed to find the most thoroughly stocked first aid kits I have ever seen in a crib room haha. They had the large wall mounted kits absolutely PACKED - to the point of making it difficult to close the door - with enough bits and pieces to start your own chemist. I noted everything in there, and conducted another audit a few days prior to their follow up visit 6 months later, and found that they were routinely replacing a great deal of things which were never being used (and were WELL within use by dates) along with putting in virtually anything they had available that we didn't already have 10 of...
Needless to say that contract was subsequently brought to a close after I pointed out that (1) I was perfectly capable of managing our first aid kits myself and re-stocking as necessary from a much cheaper supplier; and (2) we were being charged more to "service" these first aid kits each 6 months than what it would cost to purchase a whole new kit every 12 months..
I am always wary now of any contract that allows any company to supply products and/or services as they feel fit... who wouldn't use this situation to make a little extra cash? It's a license to print money!
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