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All - help please? Our employees despite numerous requests are abusing the facilities we have given them for smoking, and on Thursday last week we had a fire (outside it has to be said) caused by a discarded cigarette butt requiring the attendance of the fire brigade.
My MD now wants smoking on our factory site banned - but I dont seem to be able to find anywhere what you have to do - or if once you have permitted it if you are allowed to remove that facility. My memory (rusty) seems to recall a 6 month 'notice' period but I could just be making it up.
Anyone have any links to the advice please? - (tried smokefreeengland but must be buried)
thank you
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I would say your MD has the right to ban smoking throughout but that may well drive the smokers "underground", furtive puffs out of site with the attendant increased fire risk from discarded, still burning, dog ends.
I think a strongly worded notice to all about the abuse/misuse of your current facilities may help, especially if the notice makes it clear that continued irresponsible behaviour will result in an immediate company-wide ban being introduced, but heed the point above!
You say the fire service had to attend to extinguish a fire, this makes me think that perhaps siting of the smoking facilities had not been properly thought out through a fire risk assesment. Surely any smoking facility, by its' very nature needs to sited such that a fire is highly unlikely to be started?
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DeeJay - thanks for your response - it is a risk of course that they could try and smoke in other areas but we have tried the notice approach, verbal communications to all cells and this is why we are now where we are.
- Our smoking shelter was situated with guidance of the fire authority as we were once a high risk site and of course it is in our RA. We have never had a fire before - it is the poor discipline of the smokers that led to the fire and as I said them smoking outside of the designated area. The very dry weather was a contributing factor as as we are bordered by a railway we could take no chances.
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You could go down the route of Strong letters with diciplinary action as a result of non compliance...however smokers are smokers and they will sneak of for a quick fag..and you have tried educating them.
Your MD has a strong arguement and from a Health and Safety view i would endorse a No smoking ban on the site and dicipline anyone found smoking on site...a stupid mistake witha cigarette could cost people their lives....and if the premises caught fire the destrution of the business and employment of other people.
( for the peole who may ask NO... I AM A SMOKER )
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Thank you very much for your ideas and links - interesting to hear a smoker be so positive on a ban!!! See we are a good bunch!!!
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blodwyn wrote:Thank you very much for your ideas and links - interesting to hear a smoker be so positive on a ban!!! See we are a good bunch!!!
i don't think he was been positive on a ban. But more just in your situation you are left with no where else to go. if people are frequently smoking away from the designated areas have people been caught and had warnings for it or is it just something the management at all levels have turned a blind eye to. At my old company which was on a 22acre site there was one small hut on the very boundary of the site so lots of walking for a cig if you wanted one. but smoking anywhere where else was strictly enforced if you got caught so everyone played by the rules. no one would want to loose there job for such a stupid matter that is easy to comply with.
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Don't get me wrong but on what groundsd has your MD stated he wants a ban on smoking? Is it on safety/health grounds or just a complete ban. It is important to remember the reason for the ban, is on safety grounds or just because he wants smoking stopped. If the first then you can impose a ban on smoking based on the need to reduce fire risk and improve the safety and well being of the employees as a whole (rather thin base though and would take some convincing for many), If it is the second then it is not a health and safety issue but an employee relations problem so why is the HR manager not involved?
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