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Hi all
I work for a company that has a depot that has high levels of plant movements througout the day. Vans, wagons, trucks etc.
For obvious reasons ive requested that people do not use their mobile phones whilst they are walking accross/through the yard as we have had a couple of near hits recently. This is proving too difficult a concept for some people to grasp unfortunately so amongst various other carrot and stick measures of persuasion id like to find examples where pedestrians have been run over by plant in a similar situation (just realised how the last part of that sentence sounds, but you know what i mean). Im sure ive read things like this before, but cant seem to find anything on the net. If anyone knows of anything that would be a great help. Thanks.
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What have the pedestrians been in accidents with. surely if they have had an accidents with vehicles why hasn't the driver seen the pedestrian. i think you need to look at how you separate your pedestrians and you vehicles on site. To blames people using there mobile phones isn't the route cause. it takes two to have an accident so somebody else is also responsible like the drivers.
Are you going to look at stopping people talking to each other why they cross the yard as that is a distraction? You need to look at pedestrian vehicles separation maybe with road markings and pedestrian crossing paths routes.
Phil
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I agree with Phil, in that you need to look further than just banning mobile phones, which is very hard to police anyway. Depending on traffic/pedestrian routes it may be practical to have a mobile phone designated usage areas away from traffic areas.
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I didnt say i was soley blaming people using mobile phones. I didnt say i wasnt seperating vehicles and pedestrians. As i said in the original post im using various carrot and stick measures to manage the issue, which includes fitting reversing alarms, rear view cameras, segregated routes, mobile phone safe areas etc etc etc etc etc etc. As this wasnt what i asked for i didnt think i needed to waste everyones time by listing out everything i was doing. All im after is an example of what happens when things can go wrong to put in our induction and thought i was quite clear in that request in my original post. Incidently, the use of a mobile phone where plant is moving is clearly completely different to people shouting in the yard. One of the near hits we had was when someone was on his phone talking to one of his mates arranging a night out. He was looking at the floor, walking around the yard and wasnt paying attention when a vehicle nearly hit him. Yes, the driver was at fault too, but the person on the phone clearly had a role to play in the near hit.
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Daniels
Cant really help you with the information re pedestrian vehicular collisions. However, from you original post it is easy to see how anyone would make the recommendation for segregation etc.
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Hi Daniels,
How about setting safe zones (green areas) for mobile phone use on your traffic management plan with clear signage and lighting if applicable to night work or in winter evenings then inform everyone of these site specific areas and rules for mobile phone usage, if you then catch some one using mobiles outside this area maybe you can send then for a re induction 2 or more re inductions maybe a trip to the managing director to explain why they fail to follow the company rules
Chris
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I disagree with earlier posts.
a) It is nigh on impossible in many environments to completely segregate pedestrians and vehicles
b) Phone users get distracted when on the phone to the extent their walking patterns can be unpredictable
c) Drivers of large vehicles do not have perfect visibility
I investigated a workpace fatality many years ago where the deceased was on his phone doing what every one does on a mobile phone, wandering around aimlessly, head down not aware of anything around him. He rapidly changed direction wandering aimlessly into the path of an HGV, killing him outright. Poor driver couldn't have done anything.
Yes segregate where possible but in transport yards and similar my recommendation would always be to ban the use of the mobile phone just in the yard area as well.
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Daniels36075 wrote:I didnt say i was soley blaming people using mobile phones. I didnt say i wasnt seperating vehicles and pedestrians. As i said in the original post im using various carrot and stick measures to manage the issue, which includes fitting reversing alarms, rear view cameras, segregated routes, mobile phone safe areas etc etc etc etc etc etc. As this wasnt what i asked for i didnt think i needed to waste everyones time by listing out everything i was doing. All im after is an example of what happens when things can go wrong to put in our induction and thought i was quite clear in that request in my original post. Incidently, the use of a mobile phone where plant is moving is clearly completely different to people shouting in the yard. One of the near hits we had was when someone was on his phone talking to one of his mates arranging a night out. He was looking at the floor, walking around the yard and wasnt paying attention when a vehicle nearly hit him. Yes, the driver was at fault too, but the person on the phone clearly had a role to play in the near hit. To be honest i don't think you did make it clear that you where also trying to tackle issue with the drivers as well. From your posting you seemed to be solely blaming the people on the phone. so i therefore suggested tackling the issue from another direction which you may not have thought of. Clearly NOW i know you have also looked at this angled i might then have tried to help out with you original question. But from your response i don't think i will bother trying to provide help in the future as you seem to have a bit of an attitude problem for someone who is asking others for help. Are you sure your not what is known on forum terms as a troll. Phil
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Bit harsh Phil even by my standards LOL
The main problem is that the format of the forum is such that many posts are open to misunderstanding and a perception of intent or attitude that otherwise is not intended.
I also think that the editing time when replying is such that individuals rush the questions and replies often then omitting relevent detail.......
oh did I mention an absence of spullchucker
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PhilBeale wrote:Daniels36075 wrote:
Are you sure your not what is known on forum terms as a troll.
2 posts on the forum, both asking for help - and you've classed him as a troll? Is that how you welcome everyone :-) ? Daniels36075 - I would suggest education is the way to go and perhaps devise a tool box talk. If you have one for drivers using mobiles, that would be a good starting point. Record the attendance of the toolbox talk and then use that in any future disciplinary matters.
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bleve wrote:Bit harsh Phil even by my standards LOL
The main problem is that the format of the forum is such that many posts are open to misunderstanding and a perception of intent or attitude that otherwise is not intended.
I also think that the editing time when replying is such that individuals rush the questions and replies often then omitting relevent detail.......
oh did I mention an absence of spullchucker Oh dear if it was a bit harsh by your standards Bleve then it must be bad lol. So I apologise to Daniel All my original post was trying to do was to help you out with a problem. I think may be your response could have been better worded and shorter just to say that you are looking at vehicles pedestrian separation as well as a couple of over members had the same thought as me. As for how to discourage user to use mobile phones. do you have any security footage from around the site that you can take some clips off that show the near misses. Or record some footage of people wondering around on the phone without looking where they are going or anyone involved in a near miss willing to sahre their experience. I'm not sure if stories or photos from other sites will really work. We all know it's illegal to drink or not wear a set belt but people still do it. It needs to be something that is closer to them to get them to change their habits so reading an incident about someone nearly hit by a car on site or recorded footage from around the site must just do it. Aslo ensure signs are posted and people are informed not to use mobile phones in the yard that way you can then enforce it. Again Sorry Phil
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And they all lived happily ever after
Finis
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bleve wrote:And they all lived happily ever after
Finis I think i see myself as Shrek LOL Phil
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Segregation, segregation, segregation!
Opt for the most obvious solution otherwise you may end up trying to ban pedestrians using ipods, eating, talking etc etc and that will never work.
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Lest we forget employees have a reponsibility under law not to endanger themselves and others by their own acts and omissions. An employer can put in place a number of control measures to prevent incidents between pedestrians and workplace vehicles, etc however these can fail when an employee may choose not to observe or use them for one reason or another.
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Its not uncommon in these forums for replies to be shooting off on a tangent to the original subject. And I'd hate to be listening to the verbal advice that some users give - talk about clouding the subject!
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