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I am due to go to a site on Monday to see edge protection on a roof using chapter 8 plastic barriers placed into gutter (the type usually used as crowd barriers on road works) I think as thats what the site manager has proposed to use These apparently have been made secure into gutter not sure how yet and they are of a height of 1mtr
Never seen this as a configeration does it comply with working at height regs
What should I be looking for or taking into account when I arrive
Alan
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Alan
Normally chapter is not fit for purpose when working at height and would not comple with the principles of WAH. Chapter 8 is used mainly for demarcating a site. If it is for example, a flat roof and work is not taking place anywhere near the edge or there are already handrails in place then chapter 8 might be suitable, otherwise you would need proper robust edge protection which will prevent someone from falling.
Ray
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I would not accept any sort of flimsy barrier of that type unless it gave a minimum of a 2 metre safety zone from the hazard - i.e. something only intended to prevent people approaching the hazard. I wouldn't use these on higher buildings and I'd want to be sure everything was anchored to ensure the wind doesn't lift them away -even on a single storey. We don't ever attach things to, or rest things on, external guttering systems - these are not load-bearing. I doubt this system is going to break any falls. Proper edge-protection systems are oad tested & certified against proper national & EN standards. Options available include: >PROPER temporary roof-mounted edge protection systems >birdcage scaffold around facades >anchored individual restraint systems. Is this a competent contractor I ask myself...............
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Alan
I'd ask the contractor to demonstrate what dynamic loading these will withstand.
Though now out of print, HSE Specialist Inspector Report no 15 indicated the guard-rail at the edge of a flat roof should be capable of withstanding a dynamic load of 0.7kN.
There is no replacement HSE guidance to SIR15, but I would note that this is generally in line with the OSHA standards in the US which off the top of my head (so I might have got the second half of the number wrong!) translates to 0.89kN (noting that your average American roofer probably weighs more than your average UK roofer).
.....and in terms of this barrier, what you DEFINITELY don't want is debris netting which will exacerbate any instability by acting as a sail. I've given expert witness evidence in court after the clerk of works directed the addition of netting to a free standing roof edge protection structure which duly overturned striking a teacher and two pupils.
Regards, Peter
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Alan W Houghton wrote:Please advise
does it comply with working at height regs
Alan Would you say 'suitable and sufficient measures to prevent a fall liable to result in personal injury' have been put in place by the site manager? Judged on the info provided thus far, i would say no.
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There are various regs which might apply to this which I have cut and pasted from a suppliers brochure so take your pick. The system you described does not comply with anything I have come across.
The Building Regulations Part K requires a guardrail to consist of a minimum two horizontal rails with a minimum height of 1100mm.
BS EN 13374 provides for the design of temporary edge protection systems and requires a system to withstand loads applied perpendicular, horizontal and vertical to the system. The loads range from 0.2kN to 1.25kN. (Reference should be made to BS EN 13374 - 6.3.1.1). This standard has replaced HSE/SIR 15 1987 “Design loadings for temporary roof & floor edge protection” where a horizontal point load of 0.7kN was applied to the top guardrail without the base moving more then 100mm and a deflection test of 0.3kN applied to the guardrail without deflection exceeding 35mm.
The Work at height regs 2005 requires all thoes that have a duty of care to ensure that work at height is carried out safely. Solutions need to be suitable and sufficient to ensure prevention of both persons and objects from falling. In relation to Schedule 2 of the Regulations, “Construction Work” (Temporary provisions of protection) states that the top guardrail or other similar means of protection must be at least 950mm high. Toe boards should be suitable and sufficient to prevent the fall of any person, or any material or object, from any place of work. The intermediate guardrail or similar means of protection must be positioned so that any gap between it and other means of protection does not exceed 470mm.
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If it looks wrong, it usually is wrong!
And I think what you describe would look very wrong!
I believe what others have mentioned above should cover this subject.
Would love to see the risk assessment which recommended these as suitable edge protection. (Cough cough, competent contractor)
Good luck on your site meeting! Let us know how it went.
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Edge protection condemned
They brought in an external safety advisor - who also agreed with myself
I have now removed lads from site work to continue as soon suitable and sufficient edge protection in place
Thanks everyone for input
Alan
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