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StewbobClark  
#1 Posted : 12 July 2010 19:42:45(UTC)
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StewbobClark

I was hoping that colleagues would be able to share some insight on the concept of "reasonably foreseeable worst case" as used in the process of risk assessment, particularly as it relates to the consequence (in likelihood x consequence = risk). "Worst case" in just about every scenario could be considered death, however I understand the concept of RFWC allows for the consideration of activity. Correct? Where has this concept been introduced? Does IOSH have an official position on the concept? Many thanks.
antbruce001  
#2 Posted : 12 July 2010 21:54:54(UTC)
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antbruce001

RFWC is simple a way of having a useful measure of risk. You are correct in saying most worse case consequencies can be set at death if you push it far enough. However, the requirement within Risk Assessment is to address all foreseeable risks, e.g. it is a realistic event. Two common problems with the risk matrix approach (Serv. x Likel) are firstly a mis-match of the two elements and secondly it only a tool to rank risk - not to justify it! Taking the first problem - the likelihood should match the severity. If you want to take a paper cut (a very likely event in an office) to death, then you need to use the likelyhood that a paper cut will occur, then turn septic, not be treated in time and then kill you (an extremely unlikely event!). A common problem is that people base the likelihood on the fact that something will occur and the severity as the 'worse case' outcome. Moving on to the second - the matrix system, and the resulting 'score' doesn't mean you are meeting legal compliance, you don't need to do anymore or even that the risk is unacceptable! It just gives you a relative indicator to use in your SFRP balance. It is a ranking tool - to assist in controlling risks. The resulting number, or colour means nothing in itself. As for IOSH having a position on this, I think the question is mute. It's a matter of reasonableness and the correct application of risk assessment technique. Tony.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 13 July 2010 16:49:16(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

RFWC - a new one on me. I prefer to refer to the "most likely outcome". As a simple example: yes,someone falling from a set of step-ladders could die, but a more likely outcome would be a broken limb/serious injury event. In any event the matrix element is entirely subjective, 2x5 is exactly the same as 5x2, and the control measures I introduce to control one outcome should control the other just as well. Perhaps RFWC is a term more suited to Risk Management than day-to-day work-related Risk Assessment. I seem to recall that Dad's Army had the market cornered on RFWC, i.e. "We're all doomed!"
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 13 July 2010 17:09:17(UTC)
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RayRapp

I was always under the belief that safety is not managed on a 'worst case' scenario but the probable outcome. If you use the worst case concept then all accidents would have a fatal outcome! Health and safety is managed by doing what is practical, or reasonably practical; given the circumstances and case law dictates the only defence is one of foreseeability (save for a few exceptions). This does not require employers or safety practitioners to have a crystal ball either. Whilst we must often be mindful of the worst case scenario it should rarely come into the equation when completing risk assessments as it is normally the most unlikely outcome, hence in all probability an injury will occur but not leading to a death.
antbruce001  
#5 Posted : 13 July 2010 22:02:01(UTC)
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antbruce001

I would move away from the most likely outcome. This doesn't always reflect the true level risk. Take a slip or a trip. The most likely outcome is no harm or a graze, but for the purposes of risk assessment I rate it as a major injury (broken bone or back injury). My general rule of thumb is 'the realistic worst, direct consequnece in the given environment' (slip anf trips are not death - even though 3-4 people died from them every year). I also work to 'set' baselines. Like contact with electricity at or over 220v - death, 110V CTE however major injury. Fall over 1.5m - death, below that Major injury etc. It all comes down to professional judgement and legal standards. Tony.
Kate  
#6 Posted : 14 July 2010 09:41:34(UTC)
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Kate

The most significant outcome in terms of risk isn't necessarily either the worst foreseeable consequence or the most likely consequence (which let's face it is often "nothing"). If you wanted to do it rigorously you would take the severity and probability of each outcome, put them separately into a finely-graduated risk matrix and see which one comes out highest. In practice it comes down to the approach Tony describes. "What is the worst outcome that you wouldn't consider outrageously unlucky?"
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