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TD  
#1 Posted : 26 July 2010 20:07:42(UTC)
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Ladies and Gents I recently witnessed at my work an employee up in a basket approx 15 to 20 ft, painting the outside of the building. Basket is ok and no issue with it. My issue is that the basket was attached to the forklift and raised by the forklift but the forklift driver was no where to be seen... I got a hold of the safety rep the next day and he could not beleive it... what HSE laws / sections paragraphs are they breaching so I can inform the management. I have a good idea but there is much more experienced people out there amongst the forum thatn me. Thanks in advance.
Juan Carlos Arias  
#2 Posted : 26 July 2010 21:30:05(UTC)
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Juan Carlos Arias

have a look at pm 28 from the hse website. http://www.hse.gov.uk/se...32903%3Akous-jano68#1183 all guidance in there.
Ciarán Delaney  
#3 Posted : 26 July 2010 22:45:03(UTC)
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In Ireland, some HSA Inspectors will insist on seperate controls in the basket and that the people in the basket have charge of the controls.
Steve Sedgwick  
#4 Posted : 26 July 2010 23:08:26(UTC)
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TD there is a lot of info offered from Juan but I am not sure if it is what you are looking for, it depends on your HS background. You obviously feel that this task is unsafe but not sure how tackle this. You have a lone worker and a work at height task. Were both of these issues covered "properly" in the Risk Assessment for the job. My advice is: 1. Investigate - talk to the the guy in the basket - ask how he got up there - where the driver is if there was one - how does he get down if there is a problem or emergency - is there a a SSOW / SWP/ Method Statement for the task 2. Offer some advice to guy to make the him safe which obviously needs a second person, preferably a competent driver 3. Determine the root causes ie no safe system of work established ie inadequate risk assessment, lack of supervision, failure to follow procedure, lack of management control etc 4.Report your findings to a supervisor or manager
Invictus  
#5 Posted : 27 July 2010 06:49:41(UTC)
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TD wrote:
Ladies and Gents I recently witnessed at my work an employee up in a basket approx 15 to 20 ft, painting the outside of the building. Basket is ok and no issue with it. My issue is that the basket was attached to the forklift and raised by the forklift but the forklift driver was no where to be seen... I got a hold of the safety rep the next day and he could not beleive it... what HSE laws / sections paragraphs are they breaching so I can inform the management. I have a good idea but there is much more experienced people out there amongst the forum thatn me. Thanks in advance.
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ajb  
#6 Posted : 27 July 2010 14:38:55(UTC)
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ajb

TD - As Juan says look at PM28 especially about what is/isn't occasional use. From the info you've provided I would suggest this would be a routine or planned event and would not be considered an exceptional circumstance. If you can get a FLT into position you can get a MEWP there too. As for breaches of Regulations - try just about any of the Work at Height Regs: 4(planning); 5 (competence); 6 (avoidance of risks); 7 (selection of work equipment).............. Also there could be breaches under PUWER and LOLER, not to mention section 2 HSW Act. Suggest you point out that had an H&S Inspector seen it going on they may well have served a PN, decided to prosecute and you could also have got a raft of INs as well. AJB
alan_uk  
#7 Posted : 27 July 2010 14:46:42(UTC)
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alan_uk

The "rules and regulations" being broken are the ones you laid down in your safe working procedure, work instructions and training for the task - I assume you do have these??. Health and safety management is not just about what is actually stated in some regulation or other - we have been moving away from prescriptive regulation since 1974. Also as previously posted, general risk assessment, work at height and solitary working risk assessments should have dealt with this issue.
alan_uk  
#8 Posted : 27 July 2010 14:57:53(UTC)
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alan_uk

PS when you have identified the driver in question, I would suggest he is suspended from duties and sent for retraining both in general FLT driving and for the specific type of attachment used.
PhilBeale  
#9 Posted : 28 July 2010 12:36:24(UTC)
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By saying that you told the health and safety rep the next day i guess you don't necessarily have a role within your company health and safety department. i would look at reporting it to the rep and ensure an incident is raised and investigated. knowing what legislation it comes under doesn't really matter from your point of view so long as the incident has been reported and investigated and corrective steps put in place. I guess knowing what legislation it breaks might be more important if being prosecuted i think if you see something is unsafe then common sense says it's unsafe without needing to know what legislation it might fall under. Phil
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