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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 27 July 2010 09:33:02(UTC)
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firesafety101

The BP oil spill is still on the go and costing countless millions of pounds/dollars, not to mention the loss of life and wildlife, and damage to the environment. There is now a cost of livelihood, however little effect on the individual. In these times of "everyone blames 'elf & safety' for the smallest of issues why is there not a massive focus on this incident as a result of a health and safety failure? Although the cause has still to be determined there can be no doubt that there was a failure of some sort and this is pointing toward a failure of something to do with safety? Will this incident turn out to be the most expensive "accident" ever?
Ciarán Delaney  
#2 Posted : 27 July 2010 09:36:51(UTC)
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Haven't the US authorities queried the priority given to safety to the operations of the company prior to this incident?
sean  
#3 Posted : 27 July 2010 09:37:35(UTC)
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Apparently at night the alarm system on the rig was turned off, so it couldnt interupt the workers who were sleeping! It does seem to be a catalouge of mistakes and management errors!
freelance safety  
#4 Posted : 27 July 2010 10:25:10(UTC)
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Chris, I’m sure that there will be issues relating health and safety however, I’m sure that other issues in terms of management will come to fruition. I terms of the size of the incident, although this is a major incident it is quite small in comparison to some of the other oil polluters. As an example Royal Dutch Shell who have been heavily polluting (knowingly) Nigeria for several decades – through poor management and bad practices. This has completely destroyed habitats, polluted land and contaminated drinking water for thousands of families. The effects will go on for generations. The reason you don’t hear of it is because it’s not America, therefore it’s not real news? If you do some basic research, you will find many other well-known companies who have very poor management systems operating in third world countries to the expense of the local population. This of course would not be allowed in most western countries.
imwaldra  
#5 Posted : 27 July 2010 10:56:46(UTC)
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imwaldra

Chris, Are you aware of the US Coastguard investigation currently ongoing, in addition to BP's internal investigation? The USCG daily transcripts are extremely lengthy but do provide many useful insights, see http://www.deepwaterinve...ation.com/go/site/3043/. There are indeed lots of rumours about contributory causes, some without much substance, but I've no doubt that when all the evidence has been heard there will be widespread transmission of lessons to be learned. After Texas City, BP published their own internal investigation - an action highly unusual in USA, and I'm hoping they will do that again. Their current openness about day-to-day actions (they've a special section on their corporate website, if you havn't seen that) encourages me in that hope.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 27 July 2010 12:17:32(UTC)
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I just think that as it is a health and safety issue it should be publicised as such. On radio 2 this morning Chris Evans was asking about health and safety re sports like boxing and he said that was a job so where is the health and safety? Not to make too much of that I'm sure it would make the listeners think !!!!!!!!! That is a trivial mention whearas the BP oil "disaster" should be more publicly "health and safety.
m  
#7 Posted : 27 July 2010 12:29:44(UTC)
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The reports on this rarely mention that 11 men died in the initial incident
Ciarán Delaney  
#8 Posted : 27 July 2010 12:31:27(UTC)
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Hence the reason that amateur boxers wear headguards.
chrisdalton  
#9 Posted : 27 July 2010 12:31:35(UTC)
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chrisdalton

I think if Chris Evans actually thought about it for a nano second rather than spouting off to court popular favour and opinion he would look at boxing and see several aspects of H&S. Boxing gloves, taping under the gloves, supports worn under the shorts, head guards in the amateur game, gum shields, footwear that is non slip and gives support to the ankle, elasticated ropes that provide support, a sprung floor, trained medical staff in the corners and outside the ring, reviews of boxers who have been concussed, MRI scans etc etc. It has actually come a long way from bare knuckle street corner fighting yet for most people the sheer ferocity of the sport has not been diminshed however boxers are safer now then they have ever been. No H&S in boxing Mr Evans................I dont think so!!!
Ciarán Delaney  
#10 Posted : 27 July 2010 12:33:48(UTC)
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To follow up Chrisdaltons point, I believe that boxing was the first sport where you had to clear a medical before being allowed compete.
freelance safety  
#11 Posted : 27 July 2010 12:36:13(UTC)
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From what I have reviewed, I think this incident does highlights health and safety issues but I’m unsure if you would define it as purely health and safety Chris? Most incidents have health and safety elements, but to justify them as ‘health and safety’ could negate what many practitioners try to achieve – integration of health and safety. We don’t have all the facts relating to this leak, so we are not in any position (except to speculate) to label this as a health and safety incident.
jay  
#12 Posted : 27 July 2010 14:40:11(UTC)
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jay

I doubt it is fair to state "why is there not a massive focus on this incident as a result of a health and safety failure?" There has been an immense focus in USA, at times OTT when the details of the investigation are not fully known. The HSE in GB has been clarifying matters on how some aspects of offshore safety case are enforced and managed differently and perhaps more effectively. As far as media coverage is concerned, the saturation coverage by global media has waned after the spill was arrested temporarily by the new LMRP cap and hopefully in the near future a permanent capping of the leak by a combination of the static kill and the relief well. I will not speculate until we get details in the form of investigation reports. BP now appears to be confident that it will be able to defend successfully the charges of wilfull/gross negligence, as they were able to demonstrate to a large extent the wellhead integrity after capping the leak and carrying out a vast array of tests/ monitoring. Obviously, BP has not denied at all theat they might have got some things wrong, but let us wait for the details. Overall, it appears that BP has been "open" to the extent it can without incriminating itself.
pete48  
#13 Posted : 27 July 2010 18:28:38(UTC)
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pete48

The media love to speculate and they did quite a bit of that in the early stages but until they have more specific data to start looking for someone to blame there is little of a story for them. The details of the events will be complex and at least boring for most people in the street as they will not be able to relate to it in the way they can to something in the common conscience such as boxing. So the story will come to the evening bulletins once again as soon as there is enough info in a form that doesnt expose the media to too much risk and can be presented in a populist way that will capture the interest of many. Many will be interested only in whose fault was it, how are they being punished and will I be compensated. I doubt the man in the street will be at all interested in the technical and systemic findings. As Jay says BP have publicly declared that they are confident that they can counter any allegation of negligence, we need to wait and see whether they are proven correct. p48
RayRapp  
#14 Posted : 27 July 2010 22:49:13(UTC)
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RayRapp

Let's not forget...the Bhopal disaster at the Union Carbide plant 25 years ago, where the immediate death toll was 2,259 and many more thousands died and suffered in the aftermath. Now if you count the cost in monetary terms the BP oil spill may be the worst ever - but for me it is the human tragedy that really counts. Ray
bob youel  
#15 Posted : 28 July 2010 07:06:58(UTC)
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bob youel

As I know it there two major spills at this time? Please correct me somebody! The only spill that is getting press cover is the BP / US spill noting that the other [in the northern Pacific I believe] is not related to the USA and not getting any media coverage as only the poor and the environment is being damaged and the press only want kudos stories that involve the rich! Yes there probably were major H&S failings but in my personal opinion the press are not interested in looking at the h&S angle in a positive way other than as a passing thought
Terry556  
#16 Posted : 28 July 2010 10:59:38(UTC)
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Terry556

Lets not forget the other US oil companies who have got massive oil pits of waste crude oil scattered in some third world countries which is causing illness to the local people, as seen on TV by Ross Kemp, what has the media said about this or the us congress
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