Rank: Super forum user
|
This is a slightly odd request, but a colleague here has been asked to develop a procedure for ensuring that fire doors in tower blocks (front doors) are suitably maintained and operational. To put this into context, what is being talked about is a process which could untimateley mean that we force entry to a property (possibly including leasehold) and change the door to comply and then charge the customer for the privilidge. I just would like to know if anyone else has developed anything as extreme as this proposal, and what processes were put in place.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
I think you may struggle on this one under the RRFSO you have no right to access a private dwelling or at least the RRFSO doesn't cover private dwellings so you have no right to go past the front door of the premises. Unless your company owns the the property outright. I would look at carrying out a fire risk assessment of the common areas to ensure correct passive and active fire measures are in place. If the owner of the property has changes the door from what was originally installed and there is some legal point in the lease or deed then you might possible have a case. But i think you need to contact a solicitor/ lawyer for advice on this i certainly don't think you can force entry on to people homes to install a new fire door and then charge them.
I would look to ensure suitable measures are in place in the common areas before taking on the owners of the property. also how would you prove that they changed the door from what was originally a fire door?
Phil
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
What other measures are their in the hallways, is there fire detection or are the hallways subdivided by fire doors are there alternative means of escape (more than one staircase) are the fire doors on the stairwell in good condition and functioning correctly.
Even with proper 30 minute fire doors on all the properties you still need a means to detect a fire and allow other to escape so whether the doors are 30 minutes or made of cardboard sooner or later the fire will breaks out of the flat so how will the alarm be raised to alert other residents.
Phil
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Max
Have come across similar situation.
I contacted Local fire authority for advice.
If a lease holder has changed their front door with out your prior permission and it opens on to a communal hall way used as an escape route, if it is not a fire door you can demand they change the door. If they refuse contact the local fire authority who can issue an improvement notice on to the lease holder.
It is worth checking what the deeds say as you, as the landlord may still have some ownership of door frames.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Meden
I am intrigued as to the advice your received that the fire authority can issue an improvement notice (Surely an enforcement notice?) to the leaseholder.
By this I assume you mean the occupier of the flat and if so I reckon there may be problems in doing so.
As Phil Beale has said, the RR(FS)O 2005 does not apply - in the main- to single private dwellings. As a result, it is not possible to serve an enforcement or alteration notice to an individual flat.
The only part of the RRO which does apply to a dwelling is Article 31 (prohibition notices) which can apply to any premises regardless of use. Furthermore, the fire authority have powers of entry (short of a forced entry) to all premises when dealing with an Article 31 situation.
But would they serve a prohibition notice over a non BS standard front door?? I suppose that depends on the circumstances present and how high risk (in terms of likelihood) the risk was.
For instance, if the front door served a rubbish filled ground floor flat (with drug user/alcoholic/mentally ill occupants) and opened directly onto a staircase of a single staircase block of flats - perhaps the fire service would be consider a PN. But unless it was that serious (or followed a fatality or near miss nearby) it's unlikely.
Such a notice has to be signed by a very senior officer who - when dragged off the golf course to sign one- are largely reluctant to do so.
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.