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spud  
#1 Posted : 23 August 2010 15:25:34(UTC)
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spud

Hi Learned Friends, I have been informed by two different sources today regarding the time limit of Thorough examinations for Harness/Lanyards etc for use on a rooftop, I have seen a certificate stating 1 year and been informed it is 6 months between the checks, I have always believed it was the latter. I always believed anything used in connection with people was 6 months. Could anyone enlighten me with their thoughts on this please. Alan
grim72  
#2 Posted : 23 August 2010 16:05:53(UTC)
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grim72

According to BS EN 365:2004 and BS 8437 it should be every 6 months, for detailed inspections - infoat http://www.goodtogosafety.co.uk/harness.php
PhilBeale  
#3 Posted : 23 August 2010 16:26:16(UTC)
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PhilBeale

I've searched and everything i have read says 6 months but can't come up with any specific legislation. maybe contact the manufacturer of your safety harness for the definitive answer. What i have found is from first use it must be scrapped after 5 years but can be kept on the shelf for up to ten years before needing to be scrapped. Found this which might be useful for inspection (user inspection) http://www.spansetonline...=inspection-pocket-cards Phil
antbruce001  
#4 Posted : 23 August 2010 19:33:04(UTC)
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antbruce001

Stud; "I always believed anything used in connection with people was 6 months." I think you are thinking of LOLER. LOLER doesn't apply to langards or harnesses as they are not intended to lift! Tony.
Canopener  
#5 Posted : 23 August 2010 19:43:47(UTC)
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Canopener

Depending on the circumstances, sometimes harnesses are using for lifting and lowering loads, such as for aerial tree wotrk etc and in that case I suggest that LOLER 9 (3) (a) would apply?
Rick Warner  
#6 Posted : 23 August 2010 21:00:42(UTC)
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Rick Warner

Harnesses, Lanyards and Running lines all come under LOLER Regulations and as such are required to be tested/checked by a competent person everytime prior to use, preferably by the user and checked for fault/damage every 6 months.
Alex Petrie  
#7 Posted : 23 August 2010 22:43:34(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Alan, Check out the HSE guidance document INDG 367 and read the top of page 3. Basically this suggests a more frequent timescale of every three months where harnesses and lanyards are used in arduous environments or where degradation is more likely to occur. It also gives you a good list of what to look for when inspecting harnesses. You could also contact your harness manufacturer to ask them what inspection they would recommend given the environment you're using them in. A
bob youel  
#8 Posted : 24 August 2010 07:27:52(UTC)
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bob youel

do not forget to use the risk assessment tool; as blindly following a guide stating that we only need to check every 6 months when its obvious that a harness is in a very very poor condition and should be disgarded now instead of waiting is not using common sense nor the law and v-versa where a harness that has not been used at all and is in a brand new codnition should be accounted for
firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 24 August 2010 09:10:02(UTC)
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firesafety101

I occasionally come accross MEWP inspection records showing 12 months between test and inspection.
spud  
#10 Posted : 24 August 2010 09:11:50(UTC)
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spud

Thank you thus far for all the replies, there does seem again a misconception between the six months and a Year, for instance Alex mentions the INDG 367 which is a good document and does in fact mention the three/six months but also says the following on the same document; "BS EN 365:2004 Personal protective equipment against falls from a height. General requirements for instructions for use, maintenance, periodic examination, repair, marking and packaging gives general requirements for periodic inspection, instructions for use and marking of PPE against falls from a height. To counter the causes of degradation listed in the Introduction, the British Standard states that components should be examined ‘at least twelve-monthly’. This is sometimes taken to be ‘annually’, although manufacturers of textile products usually recommend inspection more frequently than this" So again this is conflicting, which i suppose it has to be in some ways for instance if you had a Harness and it was used once a month internally then a year would probably be sufficient, but if you were using it outside daily then the three months would probably be requried, whichever route was taken would have to be illustrated via the risk assesssment process. Alan
Twinklemel  
#11 Posted : 24 August 2010 09:47:15(UTC)
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Twinklemel

A quick google brought up this HSE doc: http://www.hse.gov.uk/fa...downloads/ropeaccess.pdf I know it's talking about rope access, but it clearly states that LOLER covers "any equipment that lifts or lowers loads, including a person" and then goes on to list pieces of equipment, including harnesses. Also, this document: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/ais30.pdf states that equipment used for lifting persons must be thoroughly examined every 6 months. To my mind, it's quite clear that anything used for lifting persons must be thoroughly examined 6 monthly, or in accordance with a written scheme drawn up by a competent person. It seems quite clear in LOLER Reg 9 (3) (a) (i) also.
Kate  
#12 Posted : 24 August 2010 12:20:13(UTC)
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Kate

Yes, but although harnesses may be used for lifting or lowering people, they may be used for other purposes entirely - such as fall arrest and restraint. That's not LOLER but it is still usually a 6-monthly inspection.
frankc  
#13 Posted : 24 August 2010 13:40:07(UTC)
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frankc

I agree with Alex. I use INDG367 and the 12 month inspection period is the absolute maximum once in use. I worked as a steel erector in my previous life working on various chemical plants and a harness and lanyard obviously need inspecting more often in that enviroment. It is also fair to say if you are only wearing a harness once a month for an hour at a time in a non chemical environment, then the three monthly inspection wouldn't apply. Check the Manufacturer's Instructions and the environment
Twinklemel  
#14 Posted : 24 August 2010 14:17:08(UTC)
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Twinklemel

Kate, I'm interested in your reasoning regarding harnesses used for fall arrest not being used for lifting. Surely if the person falls, then the person will be lowered or lifted whilst attached to the harness?
db  
#15 Posted : 24 August 2010 14:50:32(UTC)
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db

Afternoon all, from an examiners point of view: Generally speaking the webbing used in the construction of working at height safety equipment is constructed in the same method as the webbing used to manufacture slings, the stitching pattern and thread are also, generally speaking the same as those used in the construction of lifting slings. The factor of safety in the construction of height safety equipment is greater than the 7:1 associated with EN1492:1/2 and those of 4:1 associated with EN's 818, 1677, etc. This of course is also the same with equipment webbing with the elasticated elements in the weave adding some extra shock absobtion when loaded. Until the introduction of the working at height regulations 2005 (which i notice not many people make reference to), which is now the lead regulations on the principals of WAH PPE, it was a toss up between LOLER 98 and PUWER 98. Some saying height safety equipment was work equipment others stating LOLER using raise lower or suspend as the framing defenition. As we had the most experience of examining this type of webbing and stitching the task usually landed on the door of Lifting Equipment Engineers. Indeed we can still carry out examinations of this type today and very often do. This is also true for man riding systems, access routes and equipment, MEWPS et al. The truth is that the equipment must be examined at regular intervals, by someone with adequate competence to judge whether the equipment is safe to use and will remain so until the next examination. Thank goodness everyone agrees with that. SO, what is the periodicity?? I would say the following: fixed systems (ie those designed to be so - not temporary systems rigged permenantly) examine and test as necessary every 12 months. ANYTHING that is either portable, semi permanent, or affixed to fixed systems - not more than every six months. Equipment used regularly, or in arduous conditions likely to lead to a more rapid deterioration of the integrity or residual strength of the equipment or conditions of service being detremental to the equipment every 3 months. please remember there are real people hanging from this equipment there lives may depend on your call..... Yours aye DB
Smith24510  
#16 Posted : 24 August 2010 14:59:49(UTC)
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Smith24510

IND G 367 suggests that harnesses & lanyards should come under the PPE Regs rather than LOLER, and recommends detailed inspections at intervals of 6 months, reducing to 3 months under certain circumstances. It also recommends interim inspections depending upon the usage/circumstances and in accordance with the appropriate risk assessment by the employer.
frankc  
#17 Posted : 24 August 2010 15:24:57(UTC)
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frankc

I believe the clue is in the words 'lifting equipment'. Although, as someone pointed out there may be a requirement to winch somebody up or down, a safety harness is a means of not falling (or falling a short distance, depending on the lanyard) as opposed to a type of lifting equipment.
Alex Petrie  
#18 Posted : 24 August 2010 15:39:06(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Your harness is PPE, and I would argue it was not intended to be listed as lifting equipment under the definition in LOLER. I think the point we're all dancing around without making is that harnesses require to be inspected according to the HSE guidance which is either every three or six months. That is after all the standard to which we will be held accountable. Regardless of which particular regulation they are covered by, if we're inspecting our equipment as per these timescales surely we're complying with the law? A
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