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Hi All
Wondering if anyone can help me? I work for a large company in a nice big open plan office which has 4 exits out of the building to down external staircases on each floor. The building empties within 3 minutes. I have 4 marshals on each floor.
I have been trying to organise a planned evacuation for the past few weeks, however the client i work for keeps cancelling it if 1 marshal is off!
I feel that we should be going ahead with the evacuation regardless as we cannot guarantee they will all be here.
Do you think 4 marshals per floor is enough for a building with 3 floors and 600 people in it which is open plan that evacuates in under 3 minutes?
The client would like me to make it madatory for PA's to become evac marshals, however i am uncomfortable forcing people to take on this role, where do we stand with enforcing this?
Any advise or help would be grateful
Thanks
H
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There's no reason to cancel the drill because the marshals are not there. In fact it is a way of finding out if you require more marshals. You don't need to force the marshal training onto anybody, I'm sure that if you advertise it properly and explain the benefits of having the knowledge you will probably have many many volunteers out of 600 employees
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Agree with Juan, get the alarm going!
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You cannot ensure that you will only have a real fire when all the fire marshalls are present!
Just go ahead.
One criterion you can use to decide whether you have sufficient marshalls is to time how long it takes them to sweep through their 'patch' and leave the building.
You don't want them put at additional risk, so you need to ensure the 'patches' are small enough, and hence the numbers of fire marshalls are large enough, to ensure that the marshalls leave the building rapidly as well.
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i would go along with Jane on this you should know before hand what the minimum number of fire marshals required to clear each floor. if you need 4 fire marshals to clear each floor then clearly you don't have enough as you need to make allowances for when they may be off on holiday or sick. So the client is right in not allowing to fire drill to go ahead as you wouldn't have enough fire Marshal's SO THEREFORE YOU MUST TRAIN MORE.
If you only need two fire marshals to clear each floor then even with one of you have enough so the evacuation practice can take place. You can practice the evacuation without having to evacuate the whole building to practise and ensure you have enough fire marshal's. just agree a set time that the fire marshals will carry out a sweep of the building and report to who is ever in control at the assembly point this way you can ensure everyone has swept THEIR patch and ensure no areas where missed.
You should know how many fire marshals you need to sweep the building and either documented or maps showing who is to search what areas (the main office area, toilets, walk in cupboards, meeting rooms, kitchens or kitchenettes etc etc) to ensure the building is clear and who they report to at the assembly area confirming the building is clear or any other issues.
Phil
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if you worked on the basis that each floor has 4 significant areas (4 fire marshal patches) then in total allowing for holidays and sickness then you need 15. assuming you could evenly spread the fire marshals across the 3 floors or you could ensure spare fire wardens clear floors that might only have 2 fire wardens on one floor for any reason.
Phil
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Our office is mostly open plan. We split each floor into zones with a marshal and deputy marshal being responsible for each zone. On the busiest floor approx 120 staff we have 5 zones. The marshal would take charge and sweep their area if they are in the office at the time of an evacuation but if they are away the deputy would step up and do this. Fire marshals liaise with the deputy when booking holidays etc to ensure cover. We have found this number and system works well.
However there is always the chance of an unexpected absence and as someone else said real fires dont wait until there is a full compliment of marshals so I would just get on and do your drill.
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Little disconcerting that there is repetition about the marshals 'sweeping their patch'. I would hope that this isn't made a mandatory function and as such present a risk the marshals' safety.
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Murray18822 wrote:Little disconcerting that there is repetition about the marshals 'sweeping their patch'. I would hope that this isn't made a mandatory function and as such present a risk the marshals' safety.
Not quite sure what point you're making here Murray - what else would an evac marshal's role be?
My EMs are certainly taught that if they can't sweep all or part of their area because of danger, they leave that bit and report to the fire co-ordinator that they've had to miss a bit. Similarly if someone refuses to evacuate (or they couldn't confirm a locked room as empty), leave them, get out and report it.
Maybe I was a bit naive, but when people talked about marshals sweeping their patch, I assumed that these provisos were taken as read...
As to the original question, decide when your drill is going to be and do it - risk assessment is all very well (and essential), but if the number of wardens in on a particular day is inadequate for your needs, a fire practice will demonstrate that far more sharply than waving your assessment under the boss's nose.
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Squash, ta for the link, most useful. We are just evaluating how many marshals we need in each of 13 Healthcare premises with vulnerable people, listed structures and all sorts to contend with. The calculator is a useful guide and reality check,
John
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