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Robert H  
#1 Posted : 08 September 2010 11:45:18(UTC)
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Robert H

Hello everyone. Can anybody recommend a training organisation that provides training to enable our in-house engineers to competently carry out pressure vessel testing (including hydraulic tests) for insurance purposes? eg accumulator bottles Thanks Rob
Jane Blunt  
#2 Posted : 10 September 2010 07:38:49(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I am not certain that you are asking the right question but, since I do not have any of the class of equipment you name, I am uncertain. What is the substance inside these bottles (e.g. air, hydraulic fluid)? What is the internal volume? What is the maximum pressure? Are they supplied new to you, or did you fabricate them yourself? Are they, in fact, new? or are they old (how old?) What has been done before? Jane
Robert H  
#3 Posted : 10 September 2010 11:18:15(UTC)
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Robert H

Hi Jane We have a number of hydraulic accumulator bottles that are used to pressurise hydraulic powerpack systems. They contain a bladder made of rubber which separates the oil/gas being used and are subject to periodic testing. This is done by removing the bladder and filling the now empty vessel with water after sealing both ends. A pressure test is applied to ensure the accumulator vessels retain their strength and suitability. These vessels are supplied with the processing plant and have various volumes/pressures. Our in-house engineers require up-to-date training (as opposed to grandfather rights) to ensure safe testing procedures are followed and I was therefore trying to locate a suitable training organisation to provide such training. Hope this makes things a little clearer? Regards. Rob.
Jane Blunt  
#4 Posted : 10 September 2010 11:42:02(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

The reason I ask all the questions is that the danger from a pressure vessel failure is a combination of the volume, the pressure (and hence the stored energy) and what is in it. Above certain thresholds, there is a requirement for there to be a written scheme of examination which will define how often the items should be inspected, and how often a full pressure test needs to be done. Your insurer will have a view of competence in testing. Again, when pressure testing, the danger will depend on the stored energy. There is an HSE booklet, 'Safety in Pressure Testing', Series Code GS4 ISBN 9780717616299, which is well worth reading. If a vessel fails under test, parts of it could be ejected as missiles, which is an important consideration. Googling 'pressure testing training' came up with some promising leads. Jane
paul.skyrme  
#5 Posted : 10 September 2010 20:15:03(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Rob, Go back to the accumulator manufacturers is your best bet. Certain ones definitely DO undertake this training and certification. A friend of min runs his own hydraulic company and they overhaul and test these items as they have the competence and equipment. Their training was done by one of the manuf'. PM if you want me to name names, probably not ok to do this on the open forum? Paul
Robert H  
#6 Posted : 13 September 2010 08:20:43(UTC)
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Robert H

Thanks Jane and Paul for your replies. Paul I have pm you regarding names as suggested. Thanks again. Rob
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 13 September 2010 11:01:24(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Is hydrostatic testing strictly necessary? There are other non-destructive methods of confirming the continued integrity of pressure vessels (ultrasound etc). Stripping-down an accumulator to undertake such a test just doesn't seem "right", unless as part of a total refurbishment program for supply 'as new'. Looking beyond training your people to undertake specific tasks, has there been a consideration of the validity of the written scheme and the competent person who makes that up?
Robert H  
#8 Posted : 13 September 2010 14:18:08(UTC)
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Robert H

Hello Ron Although a hydraulic test is not mandatory, it is nevertheless part of our 'written examination scheme' that has been in place for many years and generally served us well. This was compiled between our service engineer along with our insurance company. The system used has been followed down the years and has never given any cause for concern. However I would like to ensure our procedures are still relevant and that necessary up-to-date training is provided. I take your suggestion on board though that other forms of NDT may suffice and be more practical and will speak to our insurance company for their views. Regards. Rob.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 13 September 2010 15:48:55(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

That would seem prudent Rob, otherwise you're left with the issue of ensuring the integrity of the diaphragm & its fixings that you're stripping out and putting back? A failure of that diaphragm might not be safety critical but could have wider repercussions for power-pack performance, pump reliability and customer perceptions etc.
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