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Sometime ago I asked about safety management systems and the two options of buying in and creating an in-house one. The trouble is I can't find the thread.
Anyway, I have to do the usual of presenting both options to Directors. Can people either through a PM or on forum let me know of any bought in safety management systems they think have worked well, including a rough cost.
Please please please no sales pitches, just recommendations from users.
Thanks
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I am a bit concerned about your post in that the alternatives appear to be "buying in" or "in house".
Your management system MUST BE "in house". Sure you could get consultants in but the system would have to be about YOUR organisation, and be managed day to day in house.
Possibly the question you were really asking was which management system model to use - they are all pretty similar in basic structure. (Incidentally the MHSWR reg 5 requires most of the elements of HSG 65 ie planning, organisation, control, monitoring and review).
I would suggest using HSG 65 as your model, or OHSAS 18001 or ILO-OSH 2001.
Take the model and break it down, then devise a questionaire (I use a spreadsheet). For each element ask the questions 1) What is needed 2) What have we got (is it adequate) 3) What is needed to meet the standard.
This is often referred to as a gap analysis! The gaps become your improvement plan and TADA! The easy part is done. Inmcidentally you can use this process without going for certification, merely use the standards as the basis for your management system.
Now for the hard part .......... implementing the changes and making them stick and work.
Hope this helps.
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I can give you a copy of an 18001 check list for gap analysis if it is any use to you - PM your e-mail address.
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Nope, you've both missed the point. Although I was talking about a safety management system, in the context that I ws using it I hoped that it was understood that I was refering the software for storing and controlling information in an SMS.
Of course the SMS will be set up and controlled in-house but you can buy in the software that helps you manage the information. Alternatively you can get your own internal H&S bods to create an in-house information mangement system. I have been asked to present both options.
I already have all the ISO docs thanks.
So to be more precise, can anyone recommend any SOFTWARE SMS packages that they have been satisfied with?
Thanks
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Posting the right question is so helpful, prevents others wasting their time trying to help when it is not needed. A lesson for us all.
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I'm not sure that was necessary Pikeman.
I did post what I believed to be the right question.
In the context I wrote it (ie buying in a system) an SMS could be assumed to be a software SMS. That has certainly not been misinterpreted before when I previously posted about it.
I'm sorry if you feel I was wasting your time. Perhaps you also did not read the question carefully enough in the context it was written in.
I would prefer to get back to my question if that's alright. I'm sure you have better things to do with your time. Me too.
Anyone any suggestions?
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All I can add is that I've always used in-house software, mainly because I've worked for organisations with intranets (currently hosted using Ajax software) and it's just seemed sensible to use the built-in documents libraries in there,
John
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Do a search on 'assessnet' as I recall responding to a similar question and that is one of the products I mentioned in my reply.
I found two threads but once you open a thread the search results seem to disappear... :-(
As you are no doubt aware, commercial packages come in many configurations and are generally not cheap. However, you would need considerable IT and programming support to replicate some of these in house. (in my view)
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Claire
I am certain many people make a lot of money by producing such software. However, I am a great advocate of the KISS system.
I look after four different SMSs - all are based on a .pdf file, three available via our intranet and one by CDs to each location. As an example
http://www.shetland.gov....fetyManagementSystem.asp
Very simple, and minimal cost.
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I typically put together a SMS in PDF format using PDF writer and use bookmark/hyperlink navigation to supporting documentation/records etc as required.
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I do the same as Bleve - simple & cheap
SBH
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Plus you have an added bonus of restricted access,print function and password protection to open.
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Hi clarel
Over the past few years spent quite sometime researching SMS packages and in-house for three major 'blue chip' organisations. One eventually went with KISS whilst the others had in-house - two years on the organisation that has KISS, for various reasons, about turned and went in-house. I'm not stating my own personal preference as my job was to 'repond to the clients request' - present the findings and advise based on their remit, but at the end if the day its their money, decison etc, however in my experience it would appear in-house is the more preferred method. I still work for these organisatons and they are still more than happy they are in-house. Reasons stated are predominantly on cost and flexibility to amend/update etc as the business changes/grows.
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When I posted that I was an advocate of KISS I meant "Keep It Simple S....." not realising that someone had produced software under that name!! Thanks for enlightening me Victor.
I agree with Bleve that a simple PDF system is the best option.
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Hi Colin
I've mentioned KISS instead of the proper name for the organisations SMS as I thought I'd be breaking one of the forum rules by mentioning it. Quite willing to give you and anyone else the information on a PM - which I probably should have stated initially, sorry for the confusion.
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