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neilrimmer  
#1 Posted : 21 September 2010 13:47:43(UTC)
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neilrimmer

Hey all, I'm completely stumped on this one. One of our sites have found 3 discarded needles in the hot water tank currently providing hot water (not drinking) to the sinks in the portaloos. We have isolated the tank and flushed the system, but I am wondering if there are any health issues associated with this? I am aware of the virals and bacteria that syringes can harbour but is there any possible transmission issues for those who have used the water and any likelihood of these virals etc surviving in 60 degree water?
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 21 September 2010 15:54:48(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I would not worry. Most nasties ( bacteria and viruses) are quite fragile and they tend not to like sitting in warm water for any length of time. So unless someone was drinking gallons of the stuff there should not be much a hazard. What these needles were doing in a water tank is a really interesting question but I guess we will never know.
jwk  
#3 Posted : 21 September 2010 16:01:09(UTC)
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jwk

Neil, 60 degrees is the temperature recommended for maintaining hot water systems at as it kills water borne infectious organisms, nothing of significance would have been able to survive prolonged immersion at that temperature, John
MaxPayne  
#4 Posted : 21 September 2010 16:05:08(UTC)
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MaxPayne

A Kurdziel wrote:
What these needles were doing in a water tank is a really interesting question but I guess we will never know.
Water tanks are a favorite hiding place for syringes; I mean tucked in around the isulation somewhere which is usually nice a warn + dry. I'd guess these just got dropped into the water itself accidentaly. Plumbers etc should be aware of this and approach with caution.
neilrimmer  
#5 Posted : 21 September 2010 16:52:39(UTC)
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neilrimmer

Thanks guys for the responses. Cant understand how they got in there either, we are trawling through cctv to see if we can see anything but no luck so far
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#6 Posted : 21 September 2010 19:06:25(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

JWK ascertains that 60C is the temperature required for maintaining hot water systems - then through a leap of imagination s/he links the elimination of waterborne pathogens with assumptions on the elimination of bloodborne virus. A Kurdziel would not worry since his/her understanding is that 'most nasties (bacteria and viruses) are quite fragile and they tend not to like sitting in warm water for any length of time', and goes on to anticipate ingestion as the route for infection. How bizarre this all is and indicative of the need for caution, and perhaps also the need for counsel. In fact, the risk is firstly from sharps injury and in this regard there is remarkably little information about the heat resistance of bloodborne virus agents. After all, it is not the main focus of the public health problems that they cause. The second problem that has not been mentioned is that you have one person, maybe three - or maybe even more if they are sharing needles - working on your site while high on illicit drugs. What are they doing and how will their actions affect your business, your other employees, and members of the public?
neilrimmer  
#7 Posted : 22 September 2010 11:11:31(UTC)
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neilrimmer

Hi Ian, Thanks for the response, We have had the sharps removed by a specialist contractor. It was not staff members who used the needles, the problem is that the portacabins and the toilet block are temporary facilities for staff as part of a shopping area whilst the permenant facilities are being refurbished. The area is a public right of way so is unfortunately accessible 24/7. We have stepped up security patrols in the area and are fitting security lights in the area. To deter any suspect activity
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#8 Posted : 22 September 2010 13:33:46(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Are the loos lit? If so, blue filters on the lights generally discourages IDUs since it becomes difficult to find a vein
neilrimmer  
#9 Posted : 22 September 2010 13:50:14(UTC)
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neilrimmer

We have the blue lights in them, I think that they have just been discarded in the tanks rather thn actually used in the toilets
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