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sean  
#1 Posted : 24 September 2010 08:24:19(UTC)
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Folks its Friday, but this article is ridiculous, and for once the DM isn't to blame!! http://www.metro.co.uk/n...d-over-health-and-safety
kev3152  
#2 Posted : 24 September 2010 08:48:25(UTC)
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kev3152

Basic food hygiene. As it's POETS day, I offer the following; "What would you like for breakfast sir?" (Said the waiter, picking his nose) "Hard boiled eggs" the guest replied, "You can't get your fingers in those".
stuie  
#3 Posted : 24 September 2010 11:13:38(UTC)
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stuie

As Kev3152 says food hygiene as opposed to health and safety in my view.
Invictus  
#4 Posted : 24 September 2010 13:03:00(UTC)
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Invictus

stuie wrote:
As Kev3152 says food hygiene as opposed to health and safety in my view.
I don't think it's either, I am of the opinion like all these stories it's some one who hasn't got a clue what they are talking about but who are allowed to make decisions.
David Bannister  
#5 Posted : 24 September 2010 13:30:02(UTC)
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David Bannister

Home cooks have the option of using raw eggs in chocolate icing etc. Commercial cooking factories or shope know better. Infirm customers die from salmonella.
David Bannister  
#6 Posted : 24 September 2010 13:30:40(UTC)
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David Bannister

Doh- that should read shops!
BigRab  
#7 Posted : 24 September 2010 13:35:36(UTC)
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BigRab

Another OTT decision by a faceless Council official, or so it would seem. They probably made this decision because the premises are not licensed for food production. A questionable decision because the ladies would not be "producing" food but merely selling it having already produced it at home. In any case Council EHO's do have the discretion to allow an occasional fund-raising event of this kind without requiring the premises to be licensed.
colinreeves  
#8 Posted : 24 September 2010 13:54:23(UTC)
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colinreeves

A quote from the article - "Julie Bell of Lancashire County Council said: ‘Although we know home-cooked baking often tastes better, we can only allow packaged goods with clearly labelled ingredients." Now if she had said because of XX Regulations we would be able to decide whether there was any justice in her comments. However, newspapers do not want to put in details which "may confuse" our listeners / readers. I had this yesterday talking to the local BBC radio - "do not make it too technical". Frustrating then for observers not knowing the grounds of the decision.
MarcusB  
#9 Posted : 24 September 2010 14:39:56(UTC)
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MarcusB

colinreeves wrote:
Now if she had said because of XX Regulations we would be able to decide whether there was any justice in her comments.
Just a guess, but I would think it's the Food Labelling Regs. If they provided a list of the ingredients used when cooking their cakes at home, surely that would cover the requirements?
MarcusB  
#10 Posted : 24 September 2010 14:41:57(UTC)
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MarcusB

Principal provisions of the Food Labelling Regulations: "The principal provisions of the Regulations are to require all food which is ready for delivery to the ultimate consumer or to a catering establishment, subject to certain exceptions, to be marked or labelled with - • the name of the food (regulations 5(a), 6 to 11, and Schedules 1 and 2); • a list of ingredients (regulations 5(b), 12 to 18, and Schedules 3 and 4); • the appropriate durability indication (regulations 5(c), 20 to 22); • any special storage conditions or conditions of use (regulation 5(d)); • the name and address of the manufacturer or packer or of a seller (regulation 5(e)); and in certain cases - • particulars of the place of origin of the food (regulation 5(f)), and • instructions for use (regulation 5(g));"
Clairel  
#11 Posted : 24 September 2010 14:51:05(UTC)
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Clairel

So what's to happen to the good old British tradition of selling home made jams and cakes at local fayres?? :-(
colinreeves  
#12 Posted : 24 September 2010 14:55:36(UTC)
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colinreeves

I am not fully conversant with these Food Labelling Regulations, but I would point out Reg 4: QUOTE 4(3) This Part of these Regulations does not apply to— (a)any drink bottled before 1st January 1983 which has an alcoholic strength by volume of more than 1.2 per cent and which is labelled in accordance with the legislation in force at the time of bottling; (b)any food prepared on domestic premises for sale for the benefit of the person preparing it by a society registered under the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965(26); (c)any food prepared otherwise than in the course of a business carried on by the person preparing it. UNQUOTE Certainly a good argument that they do not apply to these particular circumstances, although the grammar in (b) is awful and, hence, somewhat unclear!
Murray18822  
#13 Posted : 24 September 2010 14:56:27(UTC)
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Murray18822

That particular regulation does include a reference to 'certain exceptions'. As is the case with many instances where regulations are quoted, there's a failure to acknowledge exemptions, etc.
A Kurdziel  
#14 Posted : 24 September 2010 15:01:29(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Why don’t people get their tiny minds around the fact that this is not Health and Safety or even ‘elf n safety’? Sloppy journalism, sloppy thinking. makes me mad.
colinreeves  
#15 Posted : 24 September 2010 15:07:16(UTC)
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colinreeves

Might be sloppy journalism, but bashing elf n safety is good selling point - so it will continue.
barnaby  
#16 Posted : 24 September 2010 15:30:44(UTC)
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Is this a national thing? My local library had home made cakes for sale today (in aid of MacMillans(s)). I see the LCC spokesperson was the head of library services. I wonder if she took advice?
andybz  
#17 Posted : 24 September 2010 17:51:05(UTC)
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andybz

You may want to check out this article that followed as similar ban some time ago. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/..._and_central/8078591.stm You will see that both the Food Standards Agency and Professor Hugh Pennington see no reason for a ban.
mikecarr  
#18 Posted : 27 September 2010 08:41:31(UTC)
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mikecarr

We hold homemade cake stalls in our firm for chairty fund rasiers. As long as the ingredients are lablled it's not a problem. we even sold some to our local EHO once!
redken  
#19 Posted : 29 September 2010 09:01:40(UTC)
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redken

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pr...record/express240910.htm "I can assure you that the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) does not regulate cakes. HSE in no way attempts to meddle in community activities "
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