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leerob  
#1 Posted : 29 September 2010 10:59:44(UTC)
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leerob

Hello, Could somebody please advise on the pro's and con's of a permit to work system for electrical installation in tenanted domestic dwellings. Are they a legal necessity or just good practice when working on a large scale social housing scheme. All the risks involved are covered in the risk assessments for the task, including safe isolation,signage,PPE and the locking off procedures. Due to the vast area we cover the supervisor cannot be at each property at the required time needed to complete the permit(ie once the circuit has been made safe), so the system is failing in audit of the method statement. Is it viable to remove the permit to work system from the method statement as we do have additional measures in place????
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 29 September 2010 11:36:53(UTC)
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RayRapp

Leerob There is no legal requirement to have a permit to work (PTW) system in place. It is industry good practice for a number of tasks, such as working at height, hot works etc. If the PTW is causing problems and other controls are implemented via the RA, then I suggest you remove the need for a PTW. In order to do this properly you will have to review your RAs and decide whether the change is warranted and will not cause any undue safety issues, I suggest not, given the scenario you have already identified - job done. Ray
MEden380  
#3 Posted : 29 September 2010 11:44:00(UTC)
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MEden380

Leerob I would say yes. Providing they follow procedures and do not carry out any live work, a permit system is this case would be a encumbrance procedure. We do not operate a permit system for work in domestic property. We have thirty + electricians covering 3000 sq miles it would not be possible unless they issued the permit to themselves. We have generic risk assessment and specific risk assessments and method statements they produce for each job. We also ensure all of our spark's are qualified to the 17th Edition.
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 29 September 2010 11:54:38(UTC)
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bob youel

You can have self-issue PTW's where supervisors spot check these and the working system on a regular unannounced basis - removal of your PTW will increase risk I bet that the QA, invoices and similar systems you use are followed through to the nth degree - as usual H&S is to complicated to manage! I suggest that you rationalise some of the other duties the supervisors have depending on the risk present and I note to you that your PTW will be very valuable if you have a dead body on your hands where your QA and other such systems will not be
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