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sutty  
#1 Posted : 08 October 2010 08:34:43(UTC)
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sutty

We are CDM-C's for a refurbishment project in a building that will remain in use for the duration of the works. My client is also planning numerous conferences over the same period. With this in mind the client is unwilling to allow for a site compound area and is saying that all site operatives etc can use certain facilities in the existing building, including shared welfare and mess areas. i have pointed out that this is not the best idea but she is adamant that she needs the space ans that sharing will not cause any issues, I believe differently! Do any other users have experience of similar? or advice as to how to come up with a mutual beneficial solution / compromise. Many thanks in advance.
Alan Haynes  
#2 Posted : 08 October 2010 08:47:31(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

Client pays the bills - client sets the remit Whilst the solution of using existing facilities is not ideal, it sounds that it is workable - therefore, do what the Client wants [Is Client aware of any cost/time implications of her decision?]
sutty  
#3 Posted : 08 October 2010 08:50:48(UTC)
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sutty

Client is fully aware of all implications. the facilities proposed are not even close to the area of works, the toilet is one way and the mess area (shared with office staff) is in another direction.
Alan Haynes  
#4 Posted : 08 October 2010 09:02:32(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

Client Pays - Client Says [unless it is unworkable - but you say its 'not ideal', so you have to make the best of it
sean  
#5 Posted : 08 October 2010 09:03:30(UTC)
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Sutty, I worked for many years as a lift engineer mainly working in occupied office blocks in the city of London, as long as your staff are fully aware of the dos and don'ts then there shouldn't be a problem, but it will only take one incident where a staff member complains about your workers and there could be a major problem. I once worked for a day in a care home replacing a seal on a hydraulic lift, two care workers were constantly pestering mainly my mate as I was in the lift shaft, they supplied cups of tea etc... And admittedly my mate flirted with them, and they flirted back. The job was done we thanked them for the teas etc... And left the premises without any problem. A week later we were called to the office and told that we were both being accused of sexual harassment!! The care workers had got into trouble for not completing their work, and turned on us to cover for themselves. It was very messy, and I found it really difficult having to prove I was innocent, especially as the accusations were completely unfounded. So I would advice that you warn your workers of the problems ahead, and try and use the facilities available at a time when their staff are not present. Good luck
Fraser38932  
#6 Posted : 08 October 2010 11:16:36(UTC)
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Fraser38932

Could be worthwhile to discuss this at a pre-construction meeting with your client and the preferred PC. You could also ask for an explanation from the PC on how they intend to carry out their planned works without causing to much disruption to client staff. Client will also have to explain what emergency procedures will be in place. i.e Fire Alarm etc. You can also ask the PC to put in place some sort of site rule which shows what measures will be in place to ensure that their staff will not be wandering into client welfare / mess area covered from head to foot in dust / dirt etc from the refurbishment works and ordering lunch giving client staff / visitors cause for complaint. I frequently came across this, and a method statement / amended site rules had to be in place firstly by the PC before any pre-construction / enabling works was carried out. John.
Jim Tassell  
#7 Posted : 08 October 2010 11:43:47(UTC)
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Jim Tassell

Fraser38932 wrote:
Could be worthwhile to discuss this at a pre-construction meeting with your client and the preferred PC.
Agreed. The key player is the guy who has got to work to the proposed rules. Facilitate a meeting to clarify the implications (by which I mean put pressure on the client). No doubt a pre-meeting would help...?
bob youel  
#8 Posted : 08 October 2010 16:49:47(UTC)
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bob youel

record what you do and say and remember the PC, and not you, is the site manager. And this sort of thing happens all the time
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