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fornhelper  
#1 Posted : 15 October 2010 12:04:05(UTC)
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fornhelper

Hi all Can anyone enlighten me on what the requirements are for inspection / test of electrical installations. I seem to recall that it is every 5 years however I'm not sure what type of properties are covered (e.g. commercial, industrial, domestic etc) and would this be something that housing association landlords would have to carry out? Any advice would be greatly appreciated Regards FH
Terry556  
#2 Posted : 15 October 2010 12:07:42(UTC)
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Terry556

every 5 years is the norm
jwk  
#3 Posted : 15 October 2010 12:40:04(UTC)
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jwk

Social landlords do have to do this. I'm reasonably suer it's 10 years for a domestic installation, 5 years is for commercial premises. Also bear in mind that any alterations to the supply or circuit have to comply with 17th edition and would need separate certification, John
PhilBeale  
#4 Posted : 15 October 2010 12:43:09(UTC)
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PhilBeale

I've recently been told that every time a tenant moves out an electrical inspection must/should be carried out. this is to ensure the past tenants haven't tampered or carried out any electrical alterations which might expose the new tenants to risks. Which seems reasonable but could become very costly if you have tenants moving out every six months can anyone confirm this. Phil
paul.skyrme  
#5 Posted : 15 October 2010 18:15:26(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

BS7671 is a little vague on this subject. In 7671 it merely states that the time shall be determined taking into account maintenance blah blah. OR, that where the installation is effectively managed by competent persons with preventative maintenance undertaken with records kept etc. then PIR is not required. The frequency to the first required I&T - Periodic Inspection Report (PIR) is determined by the competent person undertaking the initial inspection and test when the equipment is installed, that is specified on the Electrical Installation Certificate (EIC). Now IET guidance note 3 on which the City & Guilds course in inspection & testing of electrical installations is based, known as 2391-10 (not the -20 course as this is a much more basic version) has a lot more to say. I can’t copy the table from the book or post an attachment as far as I know and the table is too big to get into a post. The timescale depends on the type of property basically. Domestic, PIR due on change of occupancy or every 10 years Every 3 months – construction sites Every year – cinema (though can be up to 3), caravan parks, marinas, fish farms, swimming pools, fire alarms, laundrettes, petrol filling stations Every 3 years – Industrial leisure complex (excl. swimming pools), places of public entertainment, theatres, agricultural & horticultural, caravans, emergency lighting Every 5 years – commercial, educational establishments, hospitals, residential accommodation, offices, shops, laboratories, church installations, restaurants & hotels, public houses, village halls, community centres. Every 6 years – highway power supplies Every 10 years – domestic Domestic & commercial should also be done at change of occupancy In between these then a routine check should be undertaken. Daily/monthly – emergency lighting Daily/weekly/monthly – fire alarms Every 4 months – educational establishments, marinas, fish farms, swimming pools Every 6 months – caravan parks Every year – commercial, hospitals, industrial, offices, shops, laboratories, cinemas, church installations, leisure complex (excl. swimming pools), places of public entertainment, restaurants & hotels, theatres, public houses, village halls, community centres, agricultural & horticultural, caravans, laundrettes residential accommodation (also at change of occupancy). There are also notes to the table with regard to other standards, guidance and that licensing conditions may well modify these timescales. GN3 is in itself 118 pages, and is one of a series of 8 as well as BS7671 & several other specialist books issued by the IEE relating to the interpretation implementation of BS7671. HTH
paulclark  
#6 Posted : 17 October 2010 18:52:31(UTC)
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paulclark

Hi all, remember the British Standard (BS) status of the wiring regulations, this is best practice and not a legal requirement. However, your landlords safety certificate is driven by the local authority and therefore forces you to undertake inspection where applicable. To complicate matters further, PAT testing is a legal requirement, however the frequency of this is open to risk assessment and can be undertaken between 6 monthly - 5 yearly. And.....if you wish to look at lightning protection, emergency lighting, explosive atmospheres.....all these overarch into other regulations.......best stop here.
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 17 October 2010 19:02:48(UTC)
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firesafety101

Regarding the "inbetween" routine checks - how should these be recorded?
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 17 October 2010 21:28:39(UTC)
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Canopener

I don't like to use the 'quote' button, but Paul I wonder if you could identify where it stipulates that PAT testing is a legal requirement? I don't think you will find that it is! It may be a recommendation in some HSE and other guidance. This has been debated endless times on here.
paul.skyrme  
#9 Posted : 17 October 2010 22:13:15(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Phil, As you are more than aware I'm sure ;-) There is NO LEGAL requirement for PAT testing. There is also no legal requirement for fixed electrical installation testing. The statutory requirements are in HASAWA, EAWR, PUWER & MHSWR. The info I quote above is from BS7671, which as a forward written by HSE. It relates to the inspection & testing of the fixed installation NOT "PAT". BS7671 et al is merely guidance and best practice in the area.
Canopener  
#10 Posted : 18 October 2010 09:46:11(UTC)
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Canopener

Paul, my apologies. My comment was directed to the 'other' Paul at #6. Sorry for the 'confusion' Phil
Chris1357  
#11 Posted : 18 October 2010 10:36:02(UTC)
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Chris1357

paul.skyrme wrote:
... Every 3 months – construction sites ...
Hi Paul, Can I just check - I know there is guidance (which is enforced as a requirement) regarding the 3 monthly PAT testing of construction equipment. Is the three month requirement also for fixed installations? Thanks Chris
jwk  
#12 Posted : 18 October 2010 10:44:45(UTC)
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jwk

Also bear in mind that a test report will always carry a recommended date of next test; adhering to this is actually more important than the recommendations in standards, it can be somewhat shorter than the standard recommendation, John
paul.skyrme  
#13 Posted : 18 October 2010 21:59:27(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Chris1357 wrote:
paul.skyrme wrote:
... Every 3 months – construction sites ...
Hi Paul, Can I just check - I know there is guidance (which is enforced as a requirement) regarding the 3 monthly PAT testing of construction equipment. Is the three month requirement also for fixed installations? Thanks Chris
I can't comment on enforcement. However, IET guidance indicates 3 months between PIR's on fixed installations on construction sites - GN3.
paul.skyrme  
#14 Posted : 18 October 2010 22:00:40(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

quote=jwk]Also bear in mind that a test report will always carry a recommended date of next test; adhering to this is actually more important than the recommendations in standards, it can be somewhat shorter than the standard recommendation, John
jwk, Quite, the inspectors time to next inspection on a PIR overrides any other guidance.
Chris1357  
#15 Posted : 18 October 2010 22:20:10(UTC)
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Chris1357

paul.skyrme wrote:
I can't comment on enforcement. However, IET guidance indicates 3 months between PIR's on fixed installations on construction sites - GN3.
Thanks Paul - did not know that!
Zimmy  
#16 Posted : 19 October 2010 19:24:55(UTC)
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Zimmy

I think that just about covers it? Zimmy
paulclark  
#17 Posted : 19 October 2010 22:46:40(UTC)
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paulclark

Hi Phil, haven't got my Quote book to hand, but will look this out. If you have the croners package for health and safety in facilities management, there's a table in it that cites the period and source for statutory inspections. It cites the information provided earlier
Canopener  
#18 Posted : 20 October 2010 14:30:26(UTC)
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Canopener

Ahhhhhh Croners!!!!! Paul (C) - A test and an inspection are different! I wonder if Croner are indicating that the inspection and/or test is statutory. I would hope not! I was being slightly provocative in my earlier post; or was it a rhetorical question? As has been discussed on these forums countless time, there is no strict legal requirement to TEST (or for that matter inspect portbale kit). There is a requirement under EAW, PUWER and HASAWA to maintain. A maintenance regime may well include testing, and I wouldn't argue against testing for certain kit in certain environments, but it is NOT a 'legal requirement' although is RECOMMENDED for SOME items of equipment in various guidance. And no I don't use Croner!
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