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I've just gone through the HSE's '20 minute' office risk assessment (as an exercise to see what it involves).
It's certainly a 'neat' way of getting things into a risk assessment format, but my principle concern is whether this just 'dumbs down' the process.
After all, most H&S practitioners know that the Regs require certain factors to be considered in order for a risk assessment to be deemed 'suitable and sufficient'
Whilst I'm not overly interested in risk assessing office environments myself, looking through the checklists it's clear that the factors have been whittled away to almost nothing (and what's left is open to wide interpretation).
For example, stress could now be dismissed as 'you know your role, go and talk to X if you have a problem'; DSE is now a simple 'workstations assessed, risks reduced, information and training provided'; Fire is now 'have a plan, an alarm, a drill and way out'.
I'm not saying these things aren't important, I just feel that this overly-simplified approach will appeal to those who think that spending a little longer is a waste of time, but will do little to reduce risk in line with the risk factors built into the Regs, ACoPs etc.
Following along the law of 'unintended consequences', these type of 'tick box' assessments will make it easier for those who have low standards to say 'well, if it's OK for the HSE, it's OK for me'.
Thoughts?
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I remember seeing Michael Hesletine being interviewed (or was it on Question Time) only a couple of years ago, and he was reflecting on his experiences in Government of 'simplifying' what was thought to be over-complex legislation (I think it was to do with benefits).
He said (and I am paraphrasing) that 'It is only when you get really into the requirements and the context that you realise why it has to be so complex in the first place.'
I am constantly impressed by how the UK Health and Safety legislative system allows for complex high risks to be properly managed while at the same time allowing simple low risk workplaces to be managed in a much more straightforward way, and yet both are dealt with in the same regulations (Management Regs for example). It is such a pity that this is not well understood in general.
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....and apparently not understood by Lord Young.
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I wonder who will find that 20 min assessment unsuitable and insufficient first? The inspecting EHO or the civil court judge?
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Shocking for some but we need to get used to this wind of change:
HSE quote "The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) today warmly welcomed the publication of Lord Young's report into health and safety.
HSE has already been working with others to develop responses to two of the recommendations:
• a 20-minute online risk assessment for offices
Publication of the report is a tremendous opportunity to refocus health and safety on what it is really about - managing workplace risks"
Lord Young quote-"We should all accept that health and safety in non hazardous occupations is little more than common sense."
Prime Minister quote-"I hope this review can be a turning point. Lord Young has come forward with a wide range of far reaching proposals which this government fully supports"
IOSH (Institution of Occupational Safety and Health) said it broadly welcomed Lord Young’s recommendations
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This is what will happen when the rationale behind risk assessments is deemed to be the need to "get them filled in" rather than the need to undertaking risk assessments to help identify and manage risk.
Why 20 minutes by the way, is this a new measurement of when something becomes "red tape".
I will start to take this part of the report seriously as a way to cut unnecessary red tape and bureaucracy the day government devises and accepts returns using a 20 minute self assessment tax return
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All: Spot on! I'm reassured it's not just me.
FHS - exactly. I always thought it amusing that on HSE's sample risk assessments many of the 'in-depth' assessments had miraculously already been done (by these businesses who are looking for something simple), but somehow hadn't led to any improvements worth noting.
Actually, 20 mins could be shortened further: how about 2 words each:
DSE: 'Type It'
Fire: 'Get Out'
Stress: 'Shut Up'
COSHH: 'Wear Gloves' (or 'Hold Breath')
The good thing is, there would be even less reading and interpretation to do and we don't need competent advice...oh, I remember that's been ignored for a long time too
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Absolutely terrifying. And no, I'm not talking about the DSE bit, it's the Fire section that's got me all hot under the collar.
What's the most important aspect of fire safety?????!!!!
Just think about the hierarchy of control, fil in this silly little on-line checklist and find out where HSE has got the fire questions on this tool very very badly wrong. I look forward to many fruitful prosecutions,
John
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Lord Young Bless Him!!
H&S Can be overly bureacratic, agreed.!
H&S Professionals can be over zealous, agreed!!
It is wrong to automatically expect huge payouts, agreed!!!
Common Sense H&S will stop our compensation culture..... erm Cloud Cuckoo Land !!!!
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I think we have to get things in perspective. Lord Young got a 5 minute slot at the Conservative's conference which as far as I know was not reported on by anyone. His report was published on Friday afternoon when all the journalists were off for the weekend - and again attracted little comment initially.
I do wonder exactly how much commitment the Coalition has actually got behind this!???
Perhaps it was all to give him something useful to do and keep him out the way.
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