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bohemia7  
#1 Posted : 19 October 2010 14:39:10(UTC)
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PhilBeale  
#2 Posted : 19 October 2010 15:20:05(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Don't really see what the issue is. i can see it wouldn't be ideal having thousands of runners running past a construction site which may have restricted access due to scaffolding obstructing part of the route. One newspaper report said it was cut short by 190 metres. I can't believe anyone who just run best part of 12miles would notice it was 190 metres shorter. maybe they should have put a few chicanes in the route. With out seeing the actual scaffolding and what the concern is than, I can't see how anyone can criticise their decision. scaffolding can be a hazardous enough on public footpaths then add into the mix thousands of runners running past the scaffolding then possible it was a sensible decision. Phil
Paul Duell  
#3 Posted : 19 October 2010 15:35:06(UTC)
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Paul Duell

Having been involved in giving safety advice to marathon organisers (but not this one), I'd be more interested in why this was a last minute decision? Who wasn't talking to whom well in advance? OK, I'll accept that emergency maintenance can mean scaffolding going up overnight but I'll bet that wasn't what happened here...
PhilBeale  
#4 Posted : 19 October 2010 15:44:42(UTC)
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PhilBeale

I agree Paul potentially it could have been one of the emergency services or the council who may sent someone around a few days before the race to check for an issues and flagged this one up. maybe the acted on the side of caution after the tragedy that happened abroad after people where killed in the crush under the tunnel (sorry can't remember where). on this one without knowing more then i think they acted correctly better to have a safe event and cut it a couple of hundred meters short than risk safety. personally i would be happy to be able to run 200metres with out collapsing let alone 13 miles Lol Phil
bohemia7  
#5 Posted : 19 October 2010 15:49:05(UTC)
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bohemia7

My point is proper planning would prevent this, sensible risk assessment. I have heard the scaffolding was in place for 5 days before the decision was made (Not surprising as how many scaffolders work Sundays before 9am!) P*ss poor planning = blame health and safety. In my heard it should be: You spot the hazard on the Wednesday before hand, assess it, decide the necessary control is that the course needs to divert, course now ends up 193m short, move the finish 193m further. Job done.
grim72  
#6 Posted : 19 October 2010 15:52:45(UTC)
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grim72

bohemia7 wrote:
In my heard it should be: You spot the hazard on the Wednesday before hand, assess it, decide the necessary control is that the course needs to divert, course now ends up 193m short, move the finish 193m further. Job done.
Are you mad? You will get nowhere in this world with that attitude - common sense and logic? Pah!
bohemia7  
#7 Posted : 19 October 2010 15:52:59(UTC)
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bohemia7

*head
bohemia7  
#8 Posted : 19 October 2010 16:00:40(UTC)
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bohemia7

PhilBeale - you sound more like Ian Beale! Did Lord Young teach us nothing.....
PhilBeale  
#9 Posted : 19 October 2010 16:01:02(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Playing devils advocate possible they didn't know it was going to end up being 200 metres to short. start and finish lines are probably agreed along time ahead to ensure that they can accommodate the runners starting / finishing. i would have thought there would be some form of allowance for the marathon to not be less than X and not longer than Y but i guess not. I'm sure there will be an investigation and possible they may be justified in there decision. maybe they could have got the competitors to run on the spot for 30 seconds or ten star jumps before crossing the line lol. Phil
PhilBeale  
#10 Posted : 19 October 2010 16:04:16(UTC)
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PhilBeale

bohemia7 wrote:
PhilBeale - you sound more like Ian Beale! Did Lord Young teach us nothing.....
i'm sure planning went into this before lord young was around. It didn't seem that long ago that everyone said he was the wrong man for the job, have opinions changed? Phil
andybz  
#11 Posted : 20 October 2010 09:33:33(UTC)
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andybz

To be fair to the organisers, the run was not shortened for health and safety reasons. What seems to have happened is that the route had to be changed because scaffolding was obstructing the route. Based on what was shown on TV last night, that was definitely the right decision. Unfortunately, they made an error with the re-route which shortened the run to the point that it did not qualify as an official half-marathon. But, this was only discovered after the event, so it was too late to make up the difference. So the headline is rather misleading. These errors do happen, although I am sure the organisers will want to learn from this!
PhilBeale  
#12 Posted : 20 October 2010 09:48:34(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Not wanting to be picky but if the run was re-routed because scaffolding was obstructing the route. Then surely it was re-routed for health and safety reasons as having several thousand runs running down a reduced opening could have meant a risk to peoples health and safety, as it could have led to injury, certainly a lot longer finishing time if they all had to pass single file. Phil
decimomal  
#13 Posted : 20 October 2010 09:52:48(UTC)
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decimomal

I ran in the Royal London Parks Half Marathon a couple of weeks ago and was overtaken by a tomato. It took me ages to ketchup.
PhilBeale  
#14 Posted : 20 October 2010 10:11:00(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Lol Lol Phil
andybz  
#15 Posted : 20 October 2010 11:03:41(UTC)
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andybz

Phil Yes - it was re-routed for very valid H&S reasons. The shortening was unintentional.
decimomal  
#16 Posted : 20 October 2010 12:26:10(UTC)
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decimomal

...........and when I did the London Marathon I was overtaken by a Cornetto (Just the one).
David Jones  
#17 Posted : 20 October 2010 12:55:55(UTC)
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David Jones

Agree with Andybz, the re-routing was because of a h&s issue but the shortening was unintentional
bohemia7  
#18 Posted : 20 October 2010 13:12:02(UTC)
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bohemia7

Repost as it was hidden due to poor moderation I wrote originally. "In my heard it should be: You spot the hazard on the Wednesday before hand, assess it, decide the necessary control is that the course needs to divert, course now ends up 193m short, move the finish 193m further. Job done." I posted an edit of "*head" That was to correct the typo above where it says heard...not calling someoned a *head.
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