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bognor  
#1 Posted : 26 October 2010 08:09:16(UTC)
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bognor

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Is Breaking one leg of a 4 leg lifting chain, during a lift a DO under Riddor, ACOP does not cover lifting accessories I have recieved differing opinions from people.
Jane Blunt  
#2 Posted : 26 October 2010 08:14:54(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I think so. Schedule 2 of RIDDOR states:
The collapse of, the overturning of, or the failure of any load-bearing part of any -
(a) lift or hoist;
(b) crane or derrick...etc

The 4-leg chain was clearly intended to be load bearing. Hence its failure is described above as reportable.
Mike-C  
#3 Posted : 26 October 2010 09:19:55(UTC)
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Mike-C

I am awaiting a formal reply from the HSE on this as I had the same situation.

The load (a small bridge deck in position but being removed) stuck and one leg of a set of chains broke (the slings were good, within inspection date and to capacity but the crane operator exceded capacity despite instruction).
My view was this is reportable on the same arguement as above but the contracor's safety man (with all the initials after his name) argued that it was a lifting accessory not equipment, that as the load had not moved therefore it was not lifting or suspending a load at the time but rather pulling etc.

I have set the question before the HSE for their view. (I have found a formal HSE interpretation very useful to have on file)

As a safety advisor to the client I can only advise. The RIDDOR duty rests with the occupier of the site (the contractor)
alexmccreadie13  
#4 Posted : 26 October 2010 18:42:39(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

Bognor

Always a quandry as it is a lifting accessory therefore as such not reportable.

But you did state is it a Dangerous Occurrence.

Not knowing the full story but how serious was it?

Do you think it requires HSE investigation or classed as a near miss so internally investigated.

There are always plenty of good posts for something like this I would try to look at it from a practical side,were people put at risk,if so report it as a DO.

If not an internal investigation . If a outside crane company involved ask them to assist.

Regards Alex
Jim Tassell  
#5 Posted : 27 October 2010 12:17:59(UTC)
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Jim Tassell

Think of it this way: If it isn't a reportable DO, then the legislation is in effect drafted to exclude the part most likely to fail. Let's give the HSE and their predecessors some credit (this is after all a very old Factories Act requirement). If they had meant to exclude a part they would have said so. It's instructive to look two paras down the list of DOs at failure of a freight container. The wording there would completely argue against the "it's only the crane down to the hook" brigade and there is an assumption of internal consistency in Regulations.

Put the report in, but as always, consider how you word it to make sure you paint the full and clear picture.
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