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mikecarr  
#1 Posted : 27 October 2010 14:25:41(UTC)
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mikecarr

This is an extract from an article just posted on SHP. Sorry I still can't get my head around how this will work. I work in a so called "Low risk office" so does this mean I won't have to do a written RA for any of our activities? I bet our insurers would have something to say about that. does this include water hygine, fire RA work place transport, equipment, DSE etc....???

Low Hazard Workplaces (Risk Assessment Exemption) Bill – to exempt employers from the requirement to produce a written risk assessment in respect of low-hazard workplaces and the premises of those working from their own home with low-hazard equipment
descarte8  
#2 Posted : 27 October 2010 15:11:13(UTC)
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descarte8

Ok I know all the recommendations wont be coming in right away but I would say in theory yes,

However the term low risk is key, putting my proverbial on the line and my interpretations of your queries below:

Water Hygiene, I amagine if your office environment has a regularly used sink and tap off the main riser there is low risk (no showers or long legs)
Your office is open plan no rooms within rooms and everyone can see their nearest fire exit, there is electrical equipment used but no flammable materials stored and all paper and wastes removed regularly, I imagine it would be low risk
DSE use would depend on the duration and frequency and type used, 1-2 hours a week to do accounts and few emails I imagine would be low risk (not defined as user, or using laptops etc.)

Workplace transport - sometimes working out of another office and using own or public transport to get there? low risk imo
equipment? not sure, kettles microwaves small paper guillitines printers sure. Lifting equipment and hydrualic presses I would not call low risk

Remember this is probably to target self employed, local shops, very small businesses, NOT an excuse for larger companies to try and get away with doing less.

However I am sure it will all become clearer in the future

Des
Heather Collins  
#3 Posted : 27 October 2010 15:15:21(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Some interesting Bills presented here - most won't have a second reading till next summer and no text copies seem to be available yet.

http://www.publications..../debtext/101021-0002.htm

Self-employment (Risk Assessment Exemption) Bill
Presentation and First Reading (Standing Order No. 57)

A Bill to exempt self-employed persons engaged in low hazard activity from the requirement to produce a written risk assessment.

Health and Safety Consultants (Qualifications) Bill
Presentation and First Reading (Standing Order No. 57)

A Bill to introduce qualification requirements for health and safety consultants; to provide accreditation for such consultants; and for connected purposes.

Health and Safety at Work (Amendment) Bill
Presentation and First Reading (Standing Order No. 57)

A Bill to amend the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 in respect of systems of risk assessment; to make provision for separate requirements for play, leisure and work-based activities; to introduce simplified risk assessments for schools; and for connected purposes.





Kate  
#4 Posted : 27 October 2010 16:03:15(UTC)
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Kate

I thought it was the wording in the report that was confused, maybe it is me that is confused.

Aren't self-employed people already exempt from the requirement to record the findings of their risk assessment?
Phillips20760  
#5 Posted : 27 October 2010 16:41:35(UTC)
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Phillips20760

I still can't get my head around how you classify a place of work as low risk without doing a risk assessment.... ;-)
Stedman  
#6 Posted : 27 October 2010 16:48:12(UTC)
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Stedman

Kate,

Yes and as far as I am aware that goes back to the Health and Safety Policy. Statements (Exception) Regulations 1975 (SI 1975 ~ 1584)
johnmurray  
#7 Posted : 27 October 2010 19:23:18(UTC)
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johnmurray

You'll need to wait for the bill to be published, and then read the one passed into law.
The killer is always what is riding on the tail of the stated legislation.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 28 October 2010 00:48:20(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Drafting legal definitions for the terms:"low hazard workplace"; "low hazard activity" and "simplified risk assessment" (none of the current statutes suggest that the process is intended to be difficult, and indeed the Management Regulations are not prescriptive in that respect, promoting a proportionate approach) will be quite a challenge should these Bills suceed, particularly given that the use of the word hazard in this context confuses the current accepted definition of the term, suggesting a quantification of "hazard" as opposed to the norm of quantification of the hazard effect and the risk.
Others have already mentioned legionella and fire, but what about asbestos? Is this also a challenge to Regulation 4 of CAR?
Hopefully, some nice chap from the Ministry will be along soon to explain to these petitioners that "I'm terribly sorry Minister, but you can't do that."
Then again, perhaps a system will evolve where the employer can pay a fee to the DWP in order to maintain a license granting him a "low hazard" exemption status for his workplace (hey - it's no less bizarre, I wouldn't rule it out).
walker  
#9 Posted : 28 October 2010 08:34:14(UTC)
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walker

Being elderly ;-) I've seen a few governments come & go.

You always get there wet behind the ears governments making daft proprosals. By this time next year they will realise its not quite that simple and this rubbish will be quietly dissappear.
walker  
#10 Posted : 28 October 2010 08:35:27(UTC)
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walker

there = these -sorry!
jwk  
#11 Posted : 28 October 2010 09:06:28(UTC)
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jwk

I don't think low hazard has any meaning at all in terms of H&S. Workplaces presenting fewer hazards maybe, but low hazards? Meaningless,

John
redken  
#12 Posted : 28 October 2010 09:21:34(UTC)
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redken

Phillips20760 wrote:
I still can't get my head around how you classify a place of work as low risk without doing a risk assessment.... ;-)

As the man( sorry the lord) says- it is Common Sense!
mikecarr  
#13 Posted : 28 October 2010 09:35:26(UTC)
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mikecarr

walker wrote:
Being elderly ;-) I've seen a few governments come & go.

You always get there wet behind the ears governments making daft proprosals. By this time next year they will realise its not quite that simple and this rubbish will be quietly dissappear.


Exactly my thoughts. It's Obvious there has been little thought put into this review just knee jerk reaction to stupid media stories. I was talking to a teacher the other day, who was quite H&S Savvy. He will do an RA for a school trip regardless of the new 1 signiture covers everything approach.

They know this form willl not be worth the paper it's written on if it all goes wrong

Chris1357  
#14 Posted : 28 October 2010 21:41:31(UTC)
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Chris1357

Surely a low hazard is just one that is close to the ground!
johnmurray  
#15 Posted : 29 October 2010 01:21:36(UTC)
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johnmurray

I've said it before, and now I'll say it again: The Young report was written before the election was called.
What is going to happen was decided a long time ago, and the good Lord has merely done what he was told to.
Ron Hunter  
#16 Posted : 04 November 2010 14:11:20(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

We don't need the Bill or an enactment - HSE have already done it!

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pr...officeriskassessment.htm

No legionella, no asbestos...............turning the clock back on DSE eyecare, with statements contrary to their own published guidance ("Employer pays for basic spectacles specific for visual display unit use (or portion of cost in other cases)").

The HSE would appear to be in thrall to the political hubris surrounding the Lord Young Report.

HSE Inspector's jobs could be rather awkward when they have to respond to an issue not on that 20 minute assessment!
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