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marillionfan  
#1 Posted : 04 November 2010 14:56:39(UTC)
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marillionfan

We deliver H&S training internally to the Local Authority that we work for along with some 'Partner Organisations'. In the past Trainers (Safety Officers) have achieved the Professional Trainers Certificate as a minimum standard. However the question has been asked if we should now acheive the "PTLLS - Preparing to Teach in the Lifelong Learning Sector" qualification. Have any other Local Authority Safety Officers gone through this training?
safetyamateur  
#2 Posted : 04 November 2010 15:50:27(UTC)
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safetyamateur

I exercise the right to withold advice on account of you being a Marillion fan (see IOSH Terms Of Use Item 12(c)(i) revised edition). Only joking. Pay attention. I believe there's a 2-day conversion course.
marillionfan  
#3 Posted : 04 November 2010 16:01:00(UTC)
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marillionfan

Hey don't knock Marillion, remember you can find a better way of life at marillion.com. Yes, I have heard that there is a conversion course but just wondering if other LA's are adpoting the PTLLS course an indication of competence to deliver H&S training?
safetyamateur  
#4 Posted : 04 November 2010 16:11:17(UTC)
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safetyamateur

Difficult to knock something that's already flat on it's face and endlessly repeating "Dilly, Dilly". However.... Believe PTLLS is the new standard for anyone delivering training in the public sector.
linda xc  
#5 Posted : 04 November 2010 17:04:47(UTC)
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linda xc

Hi Folks With out a musical comment in writing (the tunes are going through my head though).... but a funding comment if I may. A tender has just closed in South Yorkshire for companys to provide subsidised PTTLS training. So keep your ear to the ground if you live in that area as you may be able to access it cheaper next month. Regards Linda
F  
#6 Posted : 05 November 2010 11:04:40(UTC)
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F

It is now a legal requirement to hold the PTLLS qualification (as a minimum) if you are teaching (even partitime) in a publically funded college/education provider. No-one in that sector is meant to employ you without it. A number pf private sector establishments are now asking for it too. The course is 30 hours of teaching (mostly in Best Practice) plus a similar ammount of coursework. A number of colleges deliver it (the one I go to has evening and day courses- 3 hours a week for 10 weeks). Cost varies enormously- I am paying £200 but I have heard of others having to pay alot more.
Ade67  
#7 Posted : 05 November 2010 11:15:18(UTC)
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Ade67

I am currently 7 weeks into the 10 week night school course with Highbury college (Portsmouth), to be honest I have found it very useful, the course is 3 hours each Monday night and cost me £175 which is pretty good value.
Safety Smurf  
#8 Posted : 05 November 2010 11:50:43(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

f wrote:
It is now a legal requirement to hold the PTLLS qualification (as a minimum) if you are teaching (even partitime) in a publically funded college/education provider. No-one in that sector is meant to employ you without it.
How does PTLLS compare to the old C&G 7307 parts 1&2?
aud  
#9 Posted : 05 November 2010 13:40:16(UTC)
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aud

f wrote:
It is now a legal requirement to hold the PTLLS qualification (as a minimum) if you are teaching (even partitime) in a publically funded college/education provider. Legal requirement? Please cite. I have had this quoted to me a couple of years ago (as in "it will be a . . ") but when I researched, it turned out to be the "wish" of the Learning & Skills Council, or some similar agency i/c training. Now it might well be that it is a 'de facto' requirement, as colleges etc. will not employ trainers without it, but that doesn't make it a LEGAL requirement. Only a requirement.
TSC  
#10 Posted : 05 November 2010 15:27:38(UTC)
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TSC

As with the earlier comment I do believe believe this was driven by the learning skills council and grant funded training. I had to undergo the PTLLS in my previous employment to satisfy the CITB and maintain my tutor accreditation. I was the Training Manager for the National Construction firm for around 1 and a half years before this and must say I did find the course in parts enjoyable and took something away (not just the bill). The PTLLS was known I believe as the C&G7303 and this is still accepted as an equivalent as are the higher C&G courses. I also heard rumours that it was to be pushed as the competence level for any trainers to adults etc but no doubt current economic climate may alter that view. Regards Karel
safetyamateur  
#11 Posted : 05 November 2010 16:02:52(UTC)
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safetyamateur

So we're no going to victimise the original poster for their liking of Marillion? Fair enough, I'll go with the flow but, mark me, we'll be overrun with them soon. For what it's worth, I found the course useful too.
Brown32762  
#12 Posted : 05 November 2010 17:16:25(UTC)
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Brown32762

It may also be worth looking at the Institute for Learning - a requirement at the college where I teach as a sessional lecturer
F  
#13 Posted : 07 November 2010 19:56:06(UTC)
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F

The regulations for being a teacher in the publically-funded sector have really been tightened. It's not an option if a college wants public funding....
F  
#14 Posted : 07 November 2010 20:02:20(UTC)
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F

The IfL now confers a licence to practise as an associate or qualified teacher. Please look up "Towards a New Professionalism" from ifl.ac.uk
boblewis  
#15 Posted : 07 November 2010 22:34:51(UTC)
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boblewis

Note that IfL are looking at higher than PTLLS to the certificate (CTLLS) or diploma (DTLLS) as a base requirement dependent on membership grade. It is interesting that they accept BEd when CITB sometimes do not. Bob
marillionfan  
#16 Posted : 16 November 2010 15:57:06(UTC)
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marillionfan

Thanks for the replies so far folks. Nice to see that it has also generated some debate on the most excellent Marillion. Don't get confused with the old 80's material, the band have been putting out some quality stuff for the last couple of decades with Steve Hogarth as singer. Check em out you will be impressed (don't bother if you watch the X factor!)
safetyamateur  
#17 Posted : 17 November 2010 08:32:10(UTC)
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safetyamateur

There are many things that endear the group to me; with the exception of the actual music they play and the spirit of the songs themselves. Currently working on my assignments for PTLLS. I can report that it's nothing too arduous.
DavidFS  
#18 Posted : 22 November 2010 13:22:16(UTC)
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DavidFS

Sorry if this comment is a bit delayed. I completed PTLLS some months ago under Craven College. I also did 5 terms in 1972/73 at a (then) leading teacher training college in Leeds. PTLLS taught me far more about how to teach than my 5 terms at college. I would therefore support it as a genuinely useful qualification quite apart from it being mandatory for the life long learning sector.
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