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billb70  
#1 Posted : 04 November 2010 15:35:07(UTC)
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billb70

Hi
I am sure this is a hardy annual, but I am interested in what the recommended time limit is for replacing hard hats. I undertsand that the construction legislation talks about replacing on manufacturers recommendations. I have issues raised about the markings on the hard hats with what I presume is a manufacturing date. If these hats sit about in a warehouse for a while you could potential have out of date hats before you issue them ?

Any ideas about this ?
Bob Shillabeer  
#2 Posted : 04 November 2010 15:43:13(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Yes you are quite correct, you can have 'new' hard hats in the stores that are out of date. This is because you probably had to many in stock antway. There is no way around this so you will need to replace them when they become out of date. The material they are made of has the potential to become unaffective over time. Sorry there is opnly one answer to this buy new ones.
Jason Lane  
#3 Posted : 04 November 2010 15:56:35(UTC)
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Jason Lane

Hard hats are also to receive visual inspections prior to each use or, if the hat has received any impact or splashes from materials. If on construction sites it is also worth reminding the workforce not to use marker pens or cover with labels etc as these, over a period of time, could deteriorate the properties of the hat. The date stamped on the inside is usually an expiry indicator therefore, personally, i would recommend the above practice.

Hope that helps

Jason Lane
nickjonesg  
#4 Posted : 04 November 2010 15:57:48(UTC)
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nickjonesg

If the helmets have been stored in a dark cupboard in their bag at an acceptable temperature recommended by the manufacturer then the rule of thumb is that the date is irrelevant until they are issued and begin their working life. I have always gone on the 5 year rule maximum from issue unless working conditions dictate a replacement sooner, a scratch on the shell of greater than 10% of the thickness, the helmet has been regularly stored on the back seat/ dash of the car (which most are). You will probably find that most helmets will need replacing before any of this happens.
billb70  
#5 Posted : 05 January 2011 13:51:29(UTC)
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billb70

Many thanks for your replies, I personally believe that nickjonesq has the common sense approach to this and I would prefer to use the expiry date based on issue.
Zyggy  
#6 Posted : 05 January 2011 15:55:53(UTC)
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Zyggy


I agree with the last two postings that the expiry date should be from the date of issue & not rely on what is stamped on the helmet.

In a previous life we withdrew every safety helmet at a given time & then re-issued one colour only; then, after 2 years we carried out the same exercise again, but this time with an entirely different colour.

This way you could tell at a glance if a "rogue" helmet was being worn - not exactly rocket science I know, but it worked for us.

Incidentally, we recycled all our old helmets & retrieved a small amount in return + doing our bit for the environment!
Bob Shillabeer  
#7 Posted : 05 January 2011 16:09:47(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

It is quite simple really, the date stamped on the helmet is the expiry date of the helmet. Set your system of replacement to that date and you will comply with the law. Nothing else matters legal compliance is what counts. If you have any other concerns they are limited to your company and should be managed through your company procedures. Legal compliance is No one, other standards are number two. The suggestion that you used different colours for diferent validity dates sound reasonable, perhaps you could look into this as a solution.
GeoffB4  
#8 Posted : 05 January 2011 16:17:57(UTC)
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GeoffB4

Perhaps instead of acting (pedantically?) on a manufacturers date (which 'could' be set to help ensure a regular turnover of hats) we should be looking at why it is such a short life and if the manufacturers can justify it.

What do you think?

Personally I would be questioning the environmental aspects of this as well.
John J  
#9 Posted : 06 January 2011 13:46:18(UTC)
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John J

I've never yet seen manufacturers literature that says helmets should be disposed of 5 years from manufacture as;
- They will end up with a lot of stock they can't shift
- suppliers will be reluctant to take their stock on the basis its losing value from the day it's delivered
- end users may find that by the time they get it it is already many months into the 5 year limit
We replace on 5 years from issue or if faults are noted on the helmet.
Some simple checks for chalkiness to the plastic, deflection and scratches ensure you are looking after the kit.
I like the colour idea but would have limited use as we have corporate colours or job related colours i.e. apprentices
The date in the helmet is the date of manufacture and is common with all plastic items. Its on visors, goggles and LEP but I'm not aware of anybody setting a 'use by date' for these items?
colinreeves  
#10 Posted : 06 January 2011 14:11:25(UTC)
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colinreeves

All the above is interesting, and conflicting!

I would suggest looking at the ACoP for PPE (can be found on the HSE website) which includes the following on page 25 "As a general guide, industrial safety helmets should be replaced three years after manufacture, but always check with the manufacturer."
GeoffB4  
#11 Posted : 06 January 2011 14:25:42(UTC)
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GeoffB4

bob shillabeer wrote:
It is quite simple really, the date stamped on the helmet is the expiry date of the helmet. Set your system of replacement to that date and you will comply with the law. Nothing else matters legal compliance is what counts. If you have any other concerns they are limited to your company and should be managed through your company procedures. Legal compliance is No one, other standards are number two. The suggestion that you used different colours for diferent validity dates sound reasonable, perhaps you could look into this as a solution.


I'm confused now. Is it the manufacture date or expiry date?
John J  
#12 Posted : 06 January 2011 15:09:07(UTC)
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John J

quote=colinreeves]All the above is interesting, and conflicting!

I would suggest looking at the ACoP for PPE (can be found on the HSE website) which includes the following on page 25 "As a general guide, industrial safety helmets should be replaced three years after manufacture, but always check with the manufacturer."


As the ACoP suggests 3 years is a general guide not a mandatory requirement.

Our supplier contacted the manufacturers of our helmets who said that providing the helmets were stored out of direct sunlight the 5 years could be applied from date of issue. Don't know if its standard but our helmets even come with a date issued label in for users to fill out.

The wheel in the helmet is the manufactured date. Most are represented by a year date in a wheel, i.e.09, with an arrow between the numbers pointing at the month.
One manufacturer (at least) has one wheel for the date and one for the month but its still date of manufacture.

Hally  
#13 Posted : 06 January 2011 16:35:25(UTC)
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Hally

Date stamped on the hard hat 'should' be the manufactered date and not the use by date.

We go on three years as a rule but also refer to the suppliers paperwork, one of them that i am aware of have five years under normal use.
redken  
#14 Posted : 06 January 2011 17:26:54(UTC)
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redken

The expiry date of a hard hat is a legal compliance issue?- I don't believe it. Prove it
David Bannister  
#15 Posted : 06 January 2011 17:29:44(UTC)
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David Bannister

Does anybody have real, not anecdotal, evidence of a hard hat failing in an impact because it was 'out of date'?
cdthomas  
#16 Posted : 07 January 2011 09:56:48(UTC)
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cdthomas

Hi all

Have read with interest all the posts. Are chin-straps a requirement when wearing hard-hats?? The wearing of the hats only protect the person from falling objects or banging their head, if he/she fell from a ladder the hat falls off therefore leaving the 'head' to absorb the impact.

Has anyone got any ideas on this topic please.

When I train people on construction related courses I will certainly be pushing the idea of wearing chin-straps.
HSSnail  
#17 Posted : 07 January 2011 10:32:12(UTC)
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HSSnail

CD
most hard hats are designed for protection from falling objects or banging your head just as you describe. If you look at the construction of crash helmets or other products designed to protect in a fall (eg a riding helmet) the design is totally different as are the impacts they are designed to mediate. In a fall from height I think a chin strap would provide only minimal protection depending on how the head hit the ground. I believe this is why chin straps are not mandatory

Brian
chas  
#18 Posted : 07 January 2011 10:32:37(UTC)
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chas

cdthomas

In my view a hard hat is, as you suggest, designed to limit the damage done when something falls on your head. It is not, however, designed as a crash helmet to protect the head if you fall. While it may help minimise injury it is not designed for that purpose and may not help much if your head lands side on after a fall from height.

The wearing of a chin strap is down to risk assessment. If you are working off a rope on the side of a building or in high wind then certainly a chin strap should be worn. If working inside on a building site I would suggest it is unnecessary unless there are other factors at play that may result in the hat falling off the head. Just my view, others may differ.
Safety Smurf  
#19 Posted : 07 January 2011 10:34:47(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

I would consider the use of chin straps more as a way of preventing the hard hat from becoming a falling object.
John J  
#20 Posted : 07 January 2011 11:07:02(UTC)
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John J

Hard hats are not designed for lateral impact and have limited value in preventing damage in the event of a fall.
My experience of chin straps is that they are useful in very high winds but a properly adjusted hard hat shouldn't come off anyway.
Having discovered many old hard hats in old out of the way places, during inspections, I've yet to find one I believe would fail during use.
ped66  
#21 Posted : 07 January 2011 11:22:15(UTC)
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ped66

The date in the wheel is the date of manufature, as others have already clarified. In my experience I have always worked to the five year from issue guide and replacement as and when necessary i.e damaged, received an impact etc.. As for the question of wearing of chin straps surly the working environment and the nature of work being undertaken should dictate when a chin strap is to be worn. Those who work at height should have been taught that chin straps are always worn.
cdthomas  
#22 Posted : 07 January 2011 12:05:03(UTC)
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cdthomas

I'm not on about falls fro any great height i.e from a roof etc etc in which case the wearing of a hard hat either with or without a chin strap would be useless.

You rarely fall forward from a ladder or step ladder through over reaching etc so surely the use of a chin strap would minimise risk of severe head injury. I watched a video (albeit re-enacted) whilst doing my safety passport, the guy suffered from brain damage as when he fell off a step ladder he smashed his head on the concrete floor whilst the hard hat he was wearing came off as soon as he left the ladder.

With regards to the use of hard hats, if they only protect you from falling objects why do construction sites insist roofers to wear them and insist you wear them as soon as you enter the site even though the actual place could be several hundred yards away.

Surely the only people who need to wear hard hats are the guys working under the roofers???
Safety Smurf  
#23 Posted : 07 January 2011 13:18:54(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

cdthomas wrote:
if they only protect you from falling objects why do construction sites insist roofers to wear them and insist you wear them as soon as you enter the site even though the actual place could be several hundred yards away.

Surely the only people who need to wear hard hats are the guys working under the roofers???


Those policies tend to exist for ease of policing, it avoids any disputes about when and where it shouldn't be worn (rightly or wrongly).
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