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Holland80069  
#1 Posted : 10 November 2010 14:41:26(UTC)
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Holland80069

I have recently had a number of staff return from a safety passport training course. Stating that aerosol spray paint cans should not be transported loose in vehicles and that they should be transported in fire proof containers. Has anyone else come across this?
Bob Shillabeer  
#2 Posted : 10 November 2010 15:14:16(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Not come across it myself, but it seems to be thae amount of cans being moved is key to this issue. If there are only a very small number of cans the outcome of fire or accidental exposure is quite low. If there are only a few cans in the vehicle the risk of such accidents happening is very low, the cans are quite robust really so in small quantities is quite same. If however they are being carried in bulk the risk is that much larger. It is about horses for courses really, and staff should be trained as to how to manage this issue thereby redusing the risk.
phow  
#3 Posted : 10 November 2010 16:24:22(UTC)
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phow

Dear 80069 There is risk assessment, which covers small quantities. Sounds like you may be construction related where everyone seems to have 2ft long spay cans for marking everything yellow. Suggest you read http://www.bama.co.uk/rospa_aerosol_safety/ There is the LAW where you have carriage of dangerous goods, which covers boxes full regards Peter
Holland80069  
#4 Posted : 10 November 2010 16:50:43(UTC)
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Holland80069

Just to clarify, we are talking about carrying two cans of spray paint to mark out locations on site. The people who are transporting these are familiar with the COSHH assessment that has been carried out and are aware of the necessary PPE that is to be worn whilst using the sprays. The cans do contain the necessary hazard symbols. My point was that a trainer was quite specific about these couple of spray cans needing to be transported in fire proof containers, which I am not convinced is necessary.
phow  
#5 Posted : 10 November 2010 19:35:22(UTC)
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phow

80069. I'm not convinced either. What is the purpose of the fireproof box for a couple of aerosols? The aerosol cans will not spontaneously leak (one in a million?). There is not a source of ignition in a box, so there will not be a fire in the box to be contained! Fire in the car. If the car is totally on fire, then there is more than enough plastic for it to burn out and 50lt of petrol in the tank is ready to burn, so a fire proof box will only delay the aerosols burning' Anyway my car is full of de-icer, upholstery cleaner, WD40 aerosols. Really can't get excited. Yes, keep in a box or bag to stop aerosols rolling around or being damaged by tools thrown in. Do store out of sunlight. I'm wary of a lot of trainers, are they trainers dispensing a prewritten course or experts?. We did issue fireproof boxes to reps who had to transport paint samples regards Peter
phargreaves04  
#6 Posted : 11 November 2010 12:40:45(UTC)
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phargreaves04

Loking purely from the Carriage of Dangerous Goods Regulations there would be no requirement to transport the aerosols in a flame proof container, these would most likely fall under the Limited Quantity limits so no real restrictions on the transport. Just sensible measures i.e. place in box, ensure they are not loose in the car likely to cause injury
Steve Sedgwick  
#7 Posted : 11 November 2010 14:10:03(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

It is very frustrating when an Instructor puts his / her unqualified views into students heads causing problems for the client. The client organisation cannot ignore the students claims and been seen to follow up the Trainers comments. I would ask the Trainer / Training Organisation to support their view with authoritative evidence and then clarify the issue with the students. One way or another Steve
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