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flukey  
#1 Posted : 18 November 2010 13:15:28(UTC)
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flukey

As a business that installs apparatus into domestic premises (flats/apartments) and has done so for many years, there is a historic concern regarding apparatus having breached fire compartmentation during its install and no repair being done. I am looking for opinions on liability for making good that damage, especially if other contractors (over a long period) have worked over our original install. Repairing penetration of fire compartments is now standard in the business, just interested on thoughts for the historic aspect. Thanks
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 18 November 2010 14:45:57(UTC)
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bob youel

You probably have no control over 'others' - all you can do is get your client to sigh that they OK your installation at the point of handover thereafter its their problem
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 18 November 2010 16:55:22(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

It would be well worth "setting out your stall" on this matter to your prospective clients, perhaps making them aware that your standards are exemplary but historically, there may be problems. This might help illeviate the nightmare scenario if "last contractor frees all" and bearing costs and blame for poor work done by others. This is a widespread and continuing problem - scary amount of buildings are compromised out there!
boblewis  
#4 Posted : 18 November 2010 18:49:33(UTC)
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boblewis

You should undertake a thorough photographic survey and agree it with the client before starting any such work. Bob
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 19 November 2010 08:00:59(UTC)
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bob youel

woops 'sigh' should have been 'sign' although a sigh will be made if fire spreads You probably have no control over 'others' - all you can do is get your client to sign a document that they OK your installation at the point of handover thereafter its their problem
flukey  
#6 Posted : 19 November 2010 10:15:47(UTC)
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flukey

Thanks for the reponses so far. The main point I was hoping for thoughts on was on the historic installs issue. I am talking off 15/20 years passed where apparatus was installed to resdiential premises, may have breached a fire compartment (be it wall, door or floor) and the damage not repaired due to lack of knowledge in the business at the time. I am asking for opinions on going back to those historic installs and putting it right. Which would be a significant project! Thoughts on necessity, liability, other contractors having worked over our install?
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 19 November 2010 11:51:55(UTC)
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firesafety101

I have to say that by now there should have been many fire risk assessments and reviews of those fra's that should have picked up any fire compartment breaches that have been repaired with unauthorised substances. I recently attended a one day fire seminar at the Warrington fire research centre and one of the presentations was on this very topic. Many photo's were shown of the variety of fillings used, many that would accelerate a fire developing instead of halting it's progress. Very scary really, just shows contractors get away with what they can because the premises user is not aware of what should be used. Also puts a question on the competence of the fire risk assessors that have been there and carried out the "not suitable and sufficient" fire risk assessment?
flukey  
#8 Posted : 19 November 2010 12:51:10(UTC)
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flukey

Hi Chris, your comment about '....there should have been many fire risk assessments and reviews of those fra's that should have picked up any fire compartment breaches' is exactly along the lines of my thoughts as far a liability goes for making good historical damage. As far the wider industry issue on contractors breaching fire compartments, the issue is massive, I know of one colleague who has been looking at council flats and he was staggered at the number of breaches.
firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 19 November 2010 14:30:31(UTC)
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firesafety101

So when you next meet your client will you ask about fire risk assessments and have a look at them to see if any of the breaches were reported?
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