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grim72  
#1 Posted : 19 November 2010 10:52:32(UTC)
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grim72

Did anyone else see BBC1's The One Show yesterday? It's not my favourite cup of tea but I thought it was important to congratulate the BBC for sparing 5 minutes of their flagship programme to highlight the importance of ladder safety and raising awareness of the HSE's ladder exchange. I have attached the link in my blog at http://goodtogosafety.bl...y-hits-primetime-tv.html which will hopefully prove acceptable.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 19 November 2010 11:06:57(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

No, sorry, can't agree- this only served to remind me of that awful Channel 4 documentary not so long ago.
fiesta  
#3 Posted : 19 November 2010 11:35:55(UTC)
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fiesta

I didn't see The One Show but I saw Watchdog later on. This show watched some comically bad roofing contractors attempting to rip people off but also showed exactly why you should have your ladder at the correct angle and preferably footed. The young lad in question very nearly came a cropper.
safetyamateur  
#4 Posted : 19 November 2010 11:37:38(UTC)
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safetyamateur

Agree with Ron. It was throwaway and a mickey-take disguised as an informative feature. Surprised it didn't have a Marillion soundtrack ;) Gotta love Arthur Smith, though.
grim72  
#5 Posted : 19 November 2010 11:46:32(UTC)
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grim72

How often does H&S get the slighest sniff of a comment during the 7-7.30pm timeslot? Personally I'm of the opinion that there is no such thing as 'bad advertsing'. The show gets between 4-5million viewers, surely it's a positive step in raising awareness. Granted it wasn't rocket science and certainly wouldn't be used for training purposes but I thought it was a rare glimpse of positive press (tongue in cheek or not).
MB1  
#6 Posted : 19 November 2010 11:55:49(UTC)
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MB1

quote=grim72]How often does H&S get the slighest sniff of a comment during the 7-7.30pm timeslot? Personally I'm of the opinion that there is no such thing as 'bad advertsing'. The show gets between 4-5million viewers, surely it's a positive step in raising awareness. Granted it wasn't rocket science and certainly wouldn't be used for training purposes but I thought it was a rare glimpse of positive press (tongue in cheek or not).
Watched secret millionaire last night, made me chuckle when he told the workshop owner what he was really there for... he replied that he was worried he was going to tell him he was a HSE inspector really!
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 19 November 2010 12:09:39(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Safety Amateur; I'm intrigued by your Marillion reference -did you have a track in mind? Or perhaps I'm 'Clutching at Straws' as a result of a 'Misplaced Childhood'. Or maybe i'm losing my 'Marbles'!
stevie40  
#8 Posted : 19 November 2010 12:36:31(UTC)
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stevie40

ron hunter wrote:
No, sorry, can't agree- this only served to remind me of that awful Channel 4 documentary not so long ago.
Agreed - same presenter as well, Ed Friend. I'm sure he's a lovely guy but his presentation style provides the Elf n Safety mickey takers with plenty of ammunition I'm afraid.
JohnW  
#9 Posted : 19 November 2010 12:43:49(UTC)
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JohnW

I'm sure I heard the one of them , maybe the safety fellow, say the ladder angle should be 70 degrees. Eh, I've always said 1:4 which is near 75 degrees. 70 degrees is liable to slip down easily
MrsBlue  
#10 Posted : 19 November 2010 13:38:11(UTC)
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I remember years ago being informed that the first set of regs for ladders quoted the angle as something like 72 degrees. Over time all other regulation has quoted 1:4 and none have ever stated 75 degrees that I know off. Rich
safetyamateur  
#11 Posted : 19 November 2010 13:45:20(UTC)
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safetyamateur

ron hunter wrote:
Safety Amateur; I'm intrigued by your Marillion reference -did you have a track in mind? Or perhaps I'm 'Clutching at Straws' as a result of a 'Misplaced Childhood'. Or maybe i'm losing my 'Marbles'!
Ron, I've sent you totally in the wrong direction. I was using Marillion in a purely 'throwaway-mickey-take' context. My dislike of twee prog knows no limits. I recently foretold the dangerous rise of Marillion fans on another thread - and here you are. I outed you marvellously. Still, not your fault. You people were probably frighted by a proper rock band as children. Back to the thread: I'm coming to the conclusion that the only sensible way our profession and its purpose can be broadcast is in the context of a disaster. The way these TV people put together and deconstruct disasters, be it manmade (BP etc.) or Act of God (floods etc.), really is very good. Unfortunately, the 'H&S' character seems always to the be the 'told you so' person that was ignored. Wonderful typecasting.
MB1  
#12 Posted : 19 November 2010 13:50:51(UTC)
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MB1

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg402.pdf mentions both correct angle and 1:4 rule collectively
Ron Hunter  
#13 Posted : 19 November 2010 16:51:23(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I'm not ashamed to be outed as an admirer of the Prog Rock genre. Then again my taste is quite eclectic and I'm equally at home with AC/DC, Humble Pie or Hendrix. I am reminded though that there is a Yes album called...........The Ladder! Back to the thread - this guy (on TV) isn't doing H&S any favours.
Victor Meldrew  
#14 Posted : 19 November 2010 16:57:19(UTC)
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Thats obviously why they use that same presenter - he's good for a laugh - I think it will be a very, very, very long time indeed before ad hoc programmes on H&S are portrayed by the media in a positive light... but after a catastrophic accident like Potters Bar then of course thats different.... goes with the territory I guess.
frankc  
#15 Posted : 19 November 2010 17:12:44(UTC)
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frankc

Rich777 wrote:
I remember years ago being informed that the first set of regs for ladders quoted the angle as something like 72 degrees. Over time all other regulation has quoted 1:4 and none have ever stated 75 degrees that I know off. Rich
Not sure where they sourced the info from, Rich but in their training course, The Ladder Association quote an angle of 1:4 AND between 65 - 75%
boblewis  
#16 Posted : 19 November 2010 23:05:34(UTC)
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boblewis

Of course Pink Floyd produced the albumn need for every ladder Brick in the Wall Age will soon be showing Bob
m  
#17 Posted : 20 November 2010 08:51:09(UTC)
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m

Not forgetting Bruce Springsteen's recent folk album when he covered 'Jacob's ladder' would have made a great backing track
johnmurray  
#18 Posted : 20 November 2010 14:27:30(UTC)
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johnmurray

Please: the "general public" has a television attention-span of about 3.2 seconds where the item is of no interest.
safetyamateur  
#19 Posted : 22 November 2010 09:14:12(UTC)
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safetyamateur

ron hunter wrote:
I'm not ashamed to be outed as an admirer of the Prog Rock genre. Then again my taste is quite eclectic and I'm equally at home with AC/DC, Humble Pie or Hendrix. I am reminded though that there is a Yes album called...........The Ladder! Back to the thread - this guy (on TV) isn't doing H&S any favours.
A veritable holy trinity, Ron. But with your penchant for teetering on the Prog abyss it suggests a complex and troubled character that endures internal conflict over good and evil. Move towards the light, Ron. H&S content: I suppose we should look positively on the situation, in that the genuine H&S TV presentation is yet to be made and we should continue to criticise where standards aren't met and opportunities missed.
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