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bentoby  
#1 Posted : 20 November 2010 18:07:26(UTC)
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bentoby

Is there any regs/acops about fitting air conditioning condensers under the outside fire escape stairs. I have tried to search but can not find anything. The contractor siad its OK but I am not sure. Thanks bentoby
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 20 November 2010 21:00:53(UTC)
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Canopener

I have had a not dissimilar problem in the past. I don't think it is a very 'cunning' idea, but I don't think that there are any specific regs or for that matter an ACoP. Use your FRA. I am sure that Chris and the other fire safety experts will point you in the right direction.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 21 November 2010 16:02:26(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thanks for your confidence Phil - no pressure then :-( Not being an expert in Air Con units but having some competence in fire safety I would recommend not siting these units under external fire escape stairs. There are reports of fires involving air con units in the past. There is an exclusion zone around the stairs above, to both sides and below for fire resisting walls, doors and windows so why not for fitting such equipment as well? The units are powered and contain pressurised gases and will also create a breach in the fire resistance of the wall for plumbing and electrics. While such breaches can be sealed correctly sometimes they are not. My advice is to find another location.
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 22 November 2010 07:32:11(UTC)
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bob youel

Chris has got it right
jwk  
#5 Posted : 22 November 2010 11:44:39(UTC)
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jwk

I'd agree with Chris, there should be no potential source of ignition near escape stairs where flames could affect people evacuating, even if fires are infrequent, John
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 22 November 2010 12:21:29(UTC)
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firesafety101

I'm happy to be supported as it was all guesswork but based on commonsense. I wonder if there is an "industry guide to the siting of air con units" and if so what does it say?
PIKEMAN  
#7 Posted : 23 November 2010 14:08:11(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

My first thought is that I don't think it is a real issue - there would have to be a fire inside the building AND the aircon unit on fire separately............unlikely. However, the aircon could catch fire, alarm is triggered and users of the emergency exit stairs would be exposed to the smoke and flames................. So. on 2nd thougths - don't put it there.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 23 November 2010 15:21:05(UTC)
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firesafety101

Especially if the escape staircase is the only fire exit from upper floors
bentoby  
#9 Posted : 25 November 2010 12:22:17(UTC)
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bentoby

Thank you all for your comments and noted. The contractors have been advised to resite (at least that what I have advised the managment team) Thanks again Bentoby
SP900308  
#10 Posted : 25 November 2010 12:45:39(UTC)
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SP900308

Bentoby, An issue I recall in the past. These particular units were squeezed under a Fire exit stairwell (3 floors) to which the access for maintenance (very limited space indeed) was to remove the bottom three - four steps of the escape. Whilst carrying out a survey of this equipment the steps (removed for maintenance) had not been replaced by the engineer, therefore, a 1 / 1.5 metre drop greeted anyone trying to evacuate the building. The location of these condensing units also meant any maintenance exposed the engineers to unnecessary / unacceptable risks. Simon
Ken Slack  
#11 Posted : 25 November 2010 16:39:24(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Fire escapes are in essence protected due to the compartment created by the external wall, any cutting in to the wall will create an exit route for smoke, flames and heat. Take a look at BS9999 where it states that the external wall within 3m has to be fire resistant.
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