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Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#1 Posted : 22 November 2010 08:56:06(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

Not being in the industry dealing with scaffolding, would someone please advise what is the basic scaffold training accreditation a person using scaffold and / or tower should hold?

Thanks in advance,

Regards

Badger
SteveL  
#2 Posted : 22 November 2010 09:10:25(UTC)
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SteveL


The work at height Regulations 2005, require that the assembly, dismantling or alteration of mobile Access Towers should only be undertaken by a "competent person"
Therefore, the use of PASMA is the recognized competence within the construction industry

The Construction Industry Scaffolders Record Scheme (CISRS) has been the industry recognised scaffold training scheme for over 30 years. It is the preferred scaffolding certification scheme

The person erecting or dismantling must hold the required certification and the person checking is required to hold the same.
STANDARD  
#3 Posted : 22 November 2010 12:54:07(UTC)
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STANDARD

There's a booklet called CAP609B issued by the NASC or the Construction College (CITB) that provides information relating to what a Basis Scaffolder can do. He can erect and dismantle all basic scaffolds, as undertaken in his 2 week, Part 2 training course, under his own supervision. He is only classed as a basic scaffolder when in possession of his CISRS card, if he hasn't got that, he's only a trainee, but he can work under the supervision of a card carrying Scaffolder on Basic or Advanced Structures.
Most Scaffolders assume they can work on any scaffold structure. However, it depends on the level of card they hold, with regard to the complexities of the tube and fitting scaffolds that they can undertake. If there is an Advance Scaffolder supervising at all times, other less qualified operatives can work on that structure, with the relevant Risk Assessments, Method Statements and Sequence of Work in place.
They can only work on system scaffolds unsupervised, if training for that particular system has been completed by a recognised training provider, this will be shown as an addition on their CISRS Card, or certificated by recognised training provider. There are several different types of systems which are not compatible, so they have to be trained in each system, to work unsupervised. There is now a system scaffolder’s course available, with CISRS card, but these operatives can only work on system scaffolds, and can’t work on tube and fitting scaffolds.

Steve e ashton  
#4 Posted : 22 November 2010 13:51:21(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Barrie:

To answer the question that you asked: A person 'using' a scaffold and / or tower does not need ANY 'basic scaffold training accreditation'. Painters, joiners, brickies, electricians, roofers etc etc may all use scaffold erected inspected and maintained by others without themselves having any scaffold-specific training accreditation. (But it would be prudent to ensure they have been told not to interfere with or remove any scaffold components...)

If the question was meant to be "what training etc does someone need for "erecting or inspecting" scaffold or towers... then see above.....

(Except that I believe some system towers can be safely erected by people trained by the suppliers (without formal certification or card carrying...). There is no legal basis that I am aware of for suggesting that 'only' card carrying scaffolders are competent any more than there is a basis for saying that ONLY CSCS card carriers are competent to provide health and safety advice on construction sites.

Although I could be wrong...

Steve
Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#5 Posted : 22 November 2010 18:19:45(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

Thanks to everyone who replied. My question was aimed at what I believe to be untrained person erecting scaffold for painting purposes although I have no proof that they have not been trained.
Armed with the above info I can now broach the subject with suitable knowledge.

Thanks again.

Badger
michaelc  
#6 Posted : 22 November 2010 18:43:59(UTC)
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michaelc

Hi As an advanced scaffolder as well as a grad IOSH member the answer to your question is no one who is not at least a basic cisrs card holder can erect a scaffold and only when in possession of his card.
Even a person using an aliminium small tower I:E 2 mtrs must be at least trained to inspect the components for damage etc before use
DSB  
#7 Posted : 22 November 2010 20:37:16(UTC)
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DSB

Michael

Sorry to correct you the legal requirement for the erection of any scaffold is clear –the person must be competent. How a person demonstrates their competence is not defined in law and there is certainly no legal requirement for anyone to hold any type of industry card be it PASMA or CISRS.

Possession of these cards is generally driven by the construction industry and not from a legal point of view
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