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steve.mull.  
#1 Posted : 27 November 2010 09:37:28(UTC)
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steve.mull.

Hi, i have several hand made jig fixtures which we have had for years, they are insurance inspected yearly and when built were tested and given serial numbers. They do not have CE markings. Do i need to get these CE marked now?
paul.skyrme  
#2 Posted : 27 November 2010 14:46:43(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

steve, From the info we have in your op we can't tell really! Sorry! When were they built? Who designed them? Who built them? Your main concern will be compliance with PUWER98. What directives would you think about checking them agains, LVD, M/C Directive etc.? To retrospectively CE mark something is very difficult, but can be done with specialist help. I can recommend a machinery oriented company I have used in the past when designing and building machinery, but not on the open forum. PM if you want more info, BTW, it's NOT me or anyone I work for. If they are unpowered, that is completely manual, then I would suggest not regardless as long as they comply with PUWER & the other end user oriented legislation. I know that my final statement may be controversial, but I am trying to apply some common sense. HTH, Paul
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 27 November 2010 23:17:16(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I don't believe the Machinery Directive would apply to simple jigs and fixtures. No power supply, no moving parts etc.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 27 November 2010 23:18:27(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Out of interest, what was the nature of the test and inspection?
steve.mull.  
#5 Posted : 28 November 2010 13:24:45(UTC)
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steve.mull.

Reading back i missed a bit of info. These are brackets we use for lifting. They hook round the component we need to lift and hook onto the hook of the pillar crane. They were tested by a lifting company yrs ago for lifing 100kg and 140kg. They just have a visual inspection by the insurance company now once a yr.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 29 November 2010 09:50:02(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Not a jig or a fixture then (in engineering terminology). Machinery Directive would not apply to Lifting brackets as you describe. In any event, you are using these items "in house" so need not concern yourself with CE marking issues. Sounds to me that you're doing enough to ensure LOLER compliance - job done.
paul.skyrme  
#7 Posted : 29 November 2010 21:27:37(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

ron, Agree there, however, there may have been a requirement to CE mark the kit depending on when it was designed & manufactured, as even kit for own use must be CE'd. This is cast in stone in the legislation and is covered in several pieces of guidance from "public sector" organisations on the legislation. HOWEVER, at this stage I would say don't bother, stick with PUWER & LOLER etc. i.e. end user legislation. Comply with this & your Ins. Co. requirements & you should be fine. Can't quite see which directives you would CE to at this stage mind, I don't think machinery or the LV directives would apply! IMHO as long as they have been proof tested & certified and continue to be assessed under LOLER & other end user legislation you should be fine. HTH.
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