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andyhuk  
#1 Posted : 29 November 2010 12:14:59(UTC)
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andyhuk

I am after a bit of advice / guidance if you would be kind enough to oblige please? We operate a fleet of approx 40 lease vehicles; do we have a legal obligation to change their normal tyres to a winter / cold weather version? I know it a legal requirement in Germany but as far as I am aware there no similar requirements in the UK. I would assume that this would be down to a company decision based upon the risk etc… Also if we didn’t proceed with the winter / cold tyre change and someone had an accident that could have been avoided if we had changed the tyres where would we stand legally if a claim was made against us? Your advice and guidance would be hugely appreciated, Kind Regards Andy
pilot150  
#2 Posted : 29 November 2010 13:21:21(UTC)
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pilot150

Hi Andy, I run lease vehicles and have never been instructed to change tyres to a winter specification. It would be an expensive exercise? Change 120 tyres (assuming not a 6 wheel tractor unit) plus the spares and then change them back in the Spring or put them all onto new rims. Depending on the severity of the snow in the areas that you visit, you could use snow chains. Bit of a nuisance having to take them off everytime you hit tarmac for a long period though. Driven correctly and with sufficient tread depth on a normal tyre, moderate conditions can be tackled without an issue to driver or vehicle. If you talk to your local constabulary road safety department, they should come out free of charge to give advice. I've had Leicestershires in for several years now around Christmas for drink driving presentations.
pilot150  
#3 Posted : 29 November 2010 13:24:01(UTC)
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pilot150

oops should have been 160 tyres:)
colinreeves  
#4 Posted : 29 November 2010 13:47:21(UTC)
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colinreeves

As Andy said, it will be down to the risk. Here in Shetland we use winter tyres year round!
pilot150  
#5 Posted : 29 November 2010 14:19:13(UTC)
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pilot150

Ah, into "so far as is reasonably" territory.
andyhuk  
#6 Posted : 30 November 2010 11:22:10(UTC)
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andyhuk

Thank you all for your advice, its very much appriciated Kind Regards Andy
Ken Slack  
#7 Posted : 30 November 2010 11:49:38(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Hi Andy, there is no 'winter tyre' legislation in the UK, and very little advice. The highway code does not mention winter tyres either. So long as your tyres reach the minimum UK standard then you should be complying with the law. Any investigation into accidents should follow the standard procedure, I imagine with emphasis on driving appropriately in the weather conditions.
jay  
#8 Posted : 30 November 2010 13:57:54(UTC)
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jay

It is ultimately down to your risk assessment. For example, if in the past you have had damage accidents or genuine near misses etc due to skidding ice/snow, you could cost benefit it. Alternatively, you could make a judgement on the basis that due to better performnce, i.e stopping distances etc , it is a sensible thing to do based on you organisations safety culture etc. Winter tyres use a different rubber compound that is claimed to perform better when the temperatures are below 7 degrees C
Steve e ashton  
#9 Posted : 30 November 2010 16:22:30(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Try googling "snow socks". Easier to fit, cheaper and take up less space than snow chains. At less than forty quid a pair, you could issue them to all the fleet drivers, and give them the information needed to make an informed choice for themselves. If you're already driving to the conditions - and you have a good set of tyres on, then there shouldn't be a problem, but the snow socks give that extra bit of grip when things get seriously slippery, and may give extra confidence for those inexperienced at driving on snow and ice. But note that we in the UK rarely need to drive on snow or ice for any length of time / distance - more commonly it's wet, muddy and slushy - which is where winter tyres have the advantage... Which is where this thread came in... Steve
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