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Kate  
#1 Posted : 08 December 2010 14:57:12(UTC)
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Kate

Can anyone beat this? I've just got hold of an msds that is 34 pages long. Admittedly only 17 pages is the actual msds and the rest is exposure scenarios. I hope this isn't going to be the norm.
chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:17:54(UTC)
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chris.packham

Kate Unfortunately it is. At a meeting some time ago on REACH the topic leader for a major chemical company stated that for some of their chemicals there could be one four page safety data sheet and up to 500 pages of exposure scenarios! Quite how this will help the SME I am not sure. Chris
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:21:53(UTC)
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firesafety101

I reviewed a COSHH assessment this morning and found a two page msds. It was in very small print but contained a photo on the top quarter of the front page. I look for the shorter versions whenever possible.
andyg  
#4 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:25:44(UTC)
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andyg

In a similar vein, I received an "off the shelf" H&S policy this morning for review that was 540 pages! & there are only 10 of them in the company. Beat that. Andy
Bob Shillabeer  
#5 Posted : 08 December 2010 17:38:33(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

How on earth can a H&S Policy be 540 pages, a H&S Policy AND Arrangements possibly but just the Policy?
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 08 December 2010 23:35:15(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Well Kate, if you will specify Monsters, you've got to expect a failry robust and complex control regime and a bit of in-depth paperwork. Perhaps you could revisit the process and see if you could get away with something a wee bit more benign. That chap Terry Pratchett advocates the use of Gollems......or maybe the odd sprite.............seems like a much safer bet to me!
teh_boy  
#7 Posted : 09 December 2010 08:19:05(UTC)
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teh_boy

quote=bob shillabeer]How on earth can a H&S Policy be 540 pages, a H&S Policy AND Arrangements possibly but just the Policy?
In the eyes of HSG65 Policy = Statement - Organisation and Arrangements.
I suppose if the MSDS is indexed correctly and you can find the exposure scenario easily it will be a big help with COSHH assessment. (Although if the average quality of MSDS stays and they just get longer...) Think of the trees tho and the manual handling implications of lifting the MSDS folder down from the top shelf :)
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 09 December 2010 09:46:41(UTC)
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chris.packham

teh_boy As I understand REACH, I am do not claim to be an expert, it is only concerned with individual substances. Each registrant will issue the exposure scenarios for the identified uses for his substance. As a downstream user I might formulate a preparation, using, say, 10 different substances. There is no absolute duty on me to provide a new exposure scenario under REACH for my preparation. I can simply take the relevant exposure scenarios from my suppliers and attach them to my safety data sheet. So, as the end usre, you could receive a safety data sheet with ten exposure scenarios attached, with a distinct possibility that these will not agree! I am not sure how this will help that poor manager of an SME with a paint spraying operation! However, all does not appear to be lost. As far as I am aware there is no intention to repeal section 6-1 of the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974. This requires the supplier to provide information such that his product can be used safely for the purpose for which it was supplied. I will continue to press my client's suppliers to comply with this duty! Chris
johnmurray  
#9 Posted : 09 December 2010 11:26:27(UTC)
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johnmurray

We live in an electronic age. Either download it or receive it as an Email attachment. Review it and store it on a pc/whatever. No thick shelf needed.
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