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Steve-IOM  
#1 Posted : 15 December 2010 18:11:50(UTC)
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Steve-IOM

Big budget cuts mean HSE to cutback 700+ jobs. I have no doubt many will go on some sort of package and/or natural wastage! But these staff have taken a long time to train up and they are a valuable resource to keep employees and public safe from hazardous work activities. I cannot see this is a good move for the safety regulator.
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 15 December 2010 19:15:20(UTC)
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David Bannister

Nor is this good news for those already seeking work in our sector as the market will shortly be flooded with well-qualified specialists. Salaries will be further depressed.
Steve-IOM  
#3 Posted : 15 December 2010 20:02:14(UTC)
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Steve-IOM

Why employ safety advisers if you cut back on regulators?
redken  
#4 Posted : 15 December 2010 20:26:46(UTC)
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redken

Perhaps they will be "experienced" enough to get a job with the bad guys who we read about in the court pages of the SHP and HSE news, who seem to have long term bad practices that result in real harm but are not picked up early enough by the HSE inspectors. After all they will know who are they!
Steve-IOM  
#5 Posted : 16 December 2010 08:22:38(UTC)
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Steve-IOM

Very good Ken. But less HSE Inspectors may mean less interest by bad employers in future and more accidents. It also floods the market with safety qualified people looking for jobs.
MrsBlue  
#6 Posted : 16 December 2010 08:44:33(UTC)
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Like the army, for every person employed on the front line there are 4 in the backroom supporting. Therefore of the 700+ being made redundant probably only about 20-25% will be qualified inspectors (still a lot to lose). People, we must enter and live in the real world. I am just about clinging to my job and will probably be on the dole in the new year. Yes I'm upset, but being a positive and extrovert sort of a guy I'll just get on with it and take any job until I can get back into H&S. Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year to you all. Rich
Fletcher  
#7 Posted : 16 December 2010 11:16:24(UTC)
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Fletcher

Morning, Seems at odds with the Young report, "Common Sense, Common Safety". My common sense (presuming I have any) would say if they are cutting 700 staff then the government are not serious about policing the safety aspect of the workplace any more! So if the chances of getting visited are reduced and prosecuted even more reduced why should any "Employer" bother with the expense of safety? Cut the expense and take the chance?? Be interesting to see the union attitude to this cut and hear their arguments. Take Care
Lucy D  
#8 Posted : 16 December 2010 11:23:58(UTC)
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Lucy D

I think we also need to remember there are people behind these statistics and not just be concerned about whether the "market is going to be flooded" with qualified people. I hope the HSE will ensure those are are involved in this situation are informed as soon as possible about whether it affects them. By the way I am and never have been an enforcement agent - just a human being who has been made redundant in the past.
Clairel  
#9 Posted : 16 December 2010 11:34:57(UTC)
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Clairel

The HSE don't normally make cuts to inspector jobs during such times (they've been through such times before - the Tories hate the HSE). I suspect it will mean that they won't replace natural wastage (ie those that retire and those that leave for other reasons). I reckon at worst I some will be offered voluntary retirement. If anyone gets axed it's more likely to be admin. So it will be a cut in numbers but like I said they've been there before and coped. From my time in the HSE I would say I saw a lot of wastage and inefficiency compared to the private sector. Lots of people sitting in comfortable jobs with good benefits and they know it. By the way out of the all those that work behind the scenes in Policy and Sector etc most will be warranted inspectors just not front line inspectors (an area they could undoubtedly cut back on in my opinion). Why train poeple up to be inspectors and then stick them behind the scenes? Yes industry liaison etc is needed but in a more efficient way I suspect. It's not good for any dept to have financial cuts but these are difficult times and the HSE can't be immune to them. Like I said in my opinion the HSE and other Gov't depts and Gov't funded bodies are wholly inefficient and should get more in line with how the Private sector operates. I have just spent 4 months contracting for Gov't funded body and I was reminded of just how inefficent they are compared to the private sector. IMO sick leave in the public sector is so high becuase without question employees are given 6 months full pay and then 6 months half pay. It's nigh on impossible to sack someone for being incometent or inefficient and I've seen that scenario time and time again. A controversial opinion maybe but one I deeply believe in.
TSC  
#10 Posted : 16 December 2010 14:56:08(UTC)
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TSC

I sort of have to agree with Clairel with regards to they need to be more like the private sector in some ways and yes there is culture changes. Also think beyond the person cuts (Sad I know but part of life and had it last three years running (survived twice)) and employers who maybe employed consultants may take this as a chance to minimise costs as perception, rightly or wrongly, will be that the HSE will cause the big boys as they look better for the press, IMO. Cuts show the government maybe does not feel too strongly regarding the HSE's position and the deregulation cited maybe a future aspect. I have been looking at the job market recently (although lucky enough to have a job and stopped whining aboutmy low pay) and am shocked at the lack of vacancies with a recruitment agent telling me nearly half their jobs advertised they did not think would actually be filled as clients are holding off. However it is soon to be a new year and you can only keep your chin up, wages are getting lower but cannot do anything about that but as professionals try our hardest and do our best to promote safety in the best possible way and gain the respect by employers for the occupation that it deserves and slowly things will turn around. Regards and Merry Xmas TSC
Steve-IOM  
#11 Posted : 16 December 2010 16:08:49(UTC)
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Steve-IOM

Rumour has it that 500 have asked to go by next February.
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