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sean  
#1 Posted : 16 December 2010 15:44:36(UTC)
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I have a member of staff who is allergic to peanuts, her immediate manager has an Epi Pen handy just in case she has an Anaphalactic shock. My question is should we be setting up a PEEP for her? I think we need to, you never know she could well be having a anaphalactic shock when the fire alarm activates, I also feel our buildings Incident Control Officer needs to be informed. Our SMT are not arguing with me about this, but feel I am going over the top. I have never come across this situation before and would be grateful of any advice on this subject. I know its nearly Friday, so keep it clean!
teh_boy  
#2 Posted : 16 December 2010 15:53:50(UTC)
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and get ready to duck :) I'd say no as the probability of this event occurring is so remote. The only control I can see is to get them out on a stretcher anyway as you can't leave them anywhere, or they'll die! It could be equally as likely that someone might be having a heart attack when an alarm goes off... Maybe a plan for general casualty evac in a fire if you are worried and have a large number of at risk ppl - e.g. Hospital / care setting? Is it Friday yet?
Ken Slack  
#3 Posted : 16 December 2010 15:58:02(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Hi Sean, I would tend to side with your SMT on this one, you have highlighted the fact that the member of staff has the allergy and have initiate the appropriate measures, however a her individual risk assessment should be consulted to guage the need for a PEEP. As this is not a DDA style issue then I would say it isn't necessary, same as you wouldn't carry put a PEEP just in case someone falls while evacuating, or an elderly person may have a heart attack when the fire alarm sounds.
sean  
#4 Posted : 16 December 2010 16:24:26(UTC)
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Must admit it does make common sense not to do a PEEP. Teh Boy, now I am happy with the answer, go for it!
Bob Shillabeer  
#5 Posted : 16 December 2010 16:24:31(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Ken I have never heard of an individual risk assessment before is the person likely to create a danger to the safety of anyone else, if so this is a case of discipline or retraining to me. Risk assessment is not about individuals it is about process, i.e. does the thing we do pose a risk to anyone else. It sems to me there is much miss understanding of exactly what risk assessment is about, perhaps that's why Goerge Young was asked to look into it, but then he didn't understand the issues either.
Bob Shillabeer  
#6 Posted : 16 December 2010 16:25:40(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Oh and by the way a PEEP is not needed for this person, but an understanding of her possible condition is, tell her manager that she has this problem confidentially that is.
kdrum  
#7 Posted : 16 December 2010 16:38:35(UTC)
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kdrum

Sean we have a few students and staff who require the use of epi pen and some may require a second dose which may need to be administered depending on the individual. We do not have a PEEP but do have a protocol for each individual detailing symptoms, contact no's etc. And would argue re individual RA's sometimes they are required for example young person, expectant mother unless you would define expecting a child as a process
bilbo  
#8 Posted : 16 December 2010 16:51:10(UTC)
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bilbo

As in a lot of cases of allergies, the quantity of the allergen required to set off a reaction in the individual is something that may need to be widely shared. Talk to the individual affected, it may be necessary to ensure that the whole workforce needs to be made aware that there is someone suffering and that peanuts (or other nuts too in some cases) may need banning from site. As I said, it all depends on the quantity of allergen and the response. HTH
Seamusosullivan  
#9 Posted : 16 December 2010 19:28:24(UTC)
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Seamusosullivan

sean wrote:
I have a member of staff who is allergic to peanuts, her immediate manager has an Epi Pen handy just in case she has an Anaphalactic shock.
Have you have considered who takes over if her immediate manager is missing etc
sean  
#10 Posted : 17 December 2010 07:43:52(UTC)
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Thank you for all your replies, I wont set up a PEEP for this case, we have set up a system to cover all eventualities, we have also made it clear to the staff member concerned to make us aware if she feels an attack coming on, we will do all we can to help but at the same time we expect her to manage her condition properly.
Invictus  
#11 Posted : 17 December 2010 07:50:54(UTC)
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Invictus

Worked with a person once who wasn't happy that everyone had been informed that she was diabectic, she only wanted certain members of staff to be informed. Was happy when the people she had named to be informed was not in and we could deal with her when she needed us to. Dropped her claims regarding breaches of confidentiallity. Of course it is always wiser to get permission first to share medical conditions.
Ron Hunter  
#12 Posted : 17 December 2010 13:07:42(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Aye, a wee bit OTT in wanting to document this. Not uncommon in emergencies or fires for other occupants of the building to be injured or incapacitated. You can't legislate for that, rather we tend to rely on the entirely human recourse of not leaving people behind!
multuminparvo  
#13 Posted : 17 December 2010 13:35:40(UTC)
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multuminparvo

PEEP req'd only if they're allergic to Roasted Nuts. I'll get my coat----TAXI!
sean  
#14 Posted : 17 December 2010 13:39:31(UTC)
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How about Pistachio's, do they count?
bob youel  
#15 Posted : 17 December 2010 14:17:24(UTC)
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bob youel

People as well as processes etc can be risk assesed & just what is a PEEP? As a PEEP can be pages long and complicated or a KISS type of document so lets not get hung up as if U have a person who may suffer U need some sort of control that does not go beyond common sense in this case and some good advice has already been given
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