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Wood28983  
#1 Posted : 22 December 2010 14:06:06(UTC)
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Wood28983

http://www.telegraph.co....Appeal-tells-scouts.html


This, combined with the recent paintbrush in the eye case, are making it nearly impossible to keep promoting the 'lets not wrap children up in cotton wool' and ' sensible risk assesment' agenda

From the description I'm not even sure how having the lights on would have stopped him colliding with a bench.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 22 December 2010 15:35:31(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I don't think this compares with the School Paint brush incident. Surely the circumstances leading to the injury here were more or less inevitable, never mind reasonably foreseeable?
Wood28983  
#3 Posted : 22 December 2010 15:53:19(UTC)
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Wood28983

I take your point that it was forseeable but does that mean we shouldn't be allowing it. Serious injury in Rugby is forseeable but that is still played.

Perhaps my point is more that either we wrap our children up in cotton wool or we accept that occasional injuries are part of the cost benefit analysis of risk assessment as suggest by Lord Young.
freelance safety  
#4 Posted : 22 December 2010 15:53:22(UTC)
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freelance safety

No, this does not really compare to the school paint brush incident, nor should it. The point of law in that case may of course be challenged in the future.

These civil proceedings are as a result of an incident nine years ago. Had the then child been able to see obstacles in his way then the incident would probably not have occurred, which was basically the judge’s view.

As the incident caused a permanent impaction injury then this person has every right to legally claim damages for something that was reasonably foreseeable.
Mr.Flibble  
#5 Posted : 22 December 2010 16:45:09(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Wells that my rousing game of Blind Mans Bluff canceled then!!!
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 22 December 2010 17:58:38(UTC)
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RayRapp

I agree that this incident does not compare with the 'paintbrush' incident. However, I disagree with other observers in that this type of risk should totally prevented. Surely, the Scouts activities by definition are meant to be exciting and to some degree dangerous - but without life threatening injuries. I believe a bad decision was made even though it was a relatively small payout the lingering effects of this type case will erode the confidence of those who arrange such activities - where did common sense go?
Invictus  
#7 Posted : 23 December 2010 09:25:11(UTC)
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Invictus

Wasn't it the case that this game is normally played with the lights on and the idea of the game is that you have one object and all rush in to get the object. The leader changed the game by turning the lights off and having them all still rush in. Blind mans buff is the opposite the idea is that someone is blindfolded and everyone tries to keep out of his way. So they are completely different. I'm all for kids playing but sometimes you do have to consider the consequences.

I was on a train the trainer fire safety course and the trainer informed us that he used to use a scenario where he would blind fold someone to show them what it was like to be in a smoke filled room and allow them to try and find the door. He informed us that he had stopped this due to health and safety restrictions. I didn't allow him in front of a class full of people to use H&S as an excuse for not doing the correct risk assessment and still being able to complete the senario. It was basically blind mans buff but you had to find the door. We still use this for SDBA training only the mask is blacked out.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 23 December 2010 12:02:44(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I seem to recall a prosecution of a school teacher some time back, who had designed a game involving the children running round the hall in a 'figure of eight'. The inevitable collision happened and serious injury resulted.

The key word and determination is I think the same with this game in the dark - that the injury was more or less inevitable.

Contact sports etc. do not have that same level of outcome.
son of skywalker  
#9 Posted : 23 December 2010 14:50:38(UTC)
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son of skywalker

Oh entity above help us!

Does that mean my son and his pals at Boys Brigade will have to stop marching in a figure of 8?!?

I might have to suggest they keep the lights on!!

Mind you if they turned the lights off that would mean the parents could slip out, head over the road for a drink, and be back before anyone noticed.

Sometimes the law does get it wrong and some times it gets it correct.

As is the norm, each activity should be assessed on its own merits prior to performing it. A blanket ban is not needed. Especially if the blanket is over the head and you can't see!

Son of Skywalker
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