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mootoppers  
#1 Posted : 23 December 2010 10:30:42(UTC)
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mootoppers

Dear all - My employer owns the buildings (including kitchens) on a multi site operation but have contracted out the catering service. We (owner) need to risk assess the kitchen area from an 'owner/ultimate building controller' point of view and the catering service needs to also, both task and area risk assessments. As such would you carry out the 'area risk assessments' separately so that the liability issues in case of accidents are kept clearer, or would you carry out joint assessments in the spirit of 'communication and cooperation'.

bilbo  
#2 Posted : 23 December 2010 10:53:45(UTC)
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bilbo

first thoughts is that this should all be covered in the "contract" you have with the third party you have contracted with. This should all be addressed in terms of responsbility for carrying out both H&S and Food Safety risk assessments. As owner you should also be expecting to see copies of these assessments as part of the cooperation arrangements necessary to manage the overall provision of service.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 23 December 2010 11:10:32(UTC)
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RayRapp

As above, ideally you need to engage contractors in the process, whether that is by reviewing their risk assessments etc or doing them jointly is a matter of preference. However, the latter is the better choice and particularly if this is to be a long standing arrangement. It's all about co-operation as both the employers and contractor will have duties to fulfil.
Murray18822  
#4 Posted : 23 December 2010 11:10:49(UTC)
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Murray18822

It's my experience that when catering is contracted out that the premise owner/occupier retains responsibility for the maintenance and servicing of fittings, services and appliances. The catering contractor had responsibility for the management of health and safety and food safety and as such produced the risk assessments. Your involvement may be required as to the safe operation of the equipment made available for use.
mootoppers  
#5 Posted : 23 December 2010 11:24:31(UTC)
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mootoppers

Thanks for your replies - helpful and has confirmed our actions up to now and my thoughts for future progression. Bilbo - interesting point ref: the contract wording - it's an inherited contract and is the worst I've ever seen. Thoroughly wooly with an eternal ability to have extra charges levelled at us for items which we have no control over. That's quite a different discussion however! Have a marvellous Xmas everyone.
boblewis  
#6 Posted : 23 December 2010 14:07:48(UTC)
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boblewis

I would check how you need to give notice of contract termination and make moves towards giving notice. Wooly contracts such as this are a recipe for disaster (excuse the pun!! :-)). As others say the usual is for the client to maintain fabric and associated H&S while the caterer is responsible for their employees and methods of work

Bob
son of skywalker  
#7 Posted : 23 December 2010 14:29:58(UTC)
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son of skywalker

Bilbo you didn't mention Fire Safety. It should have been covered also. As the response from mootoppers advises that the contract is not a good one then I would go for the H&S and Fire Safety of the facility and fixture/fittings lying with mootoppers employers.

Son of skywalker
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