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swhitehouse  
#1 Posted : 07 January 2011 11:33:16(UTC)
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swhitehouse

Hi

I have a feeling somewhere someone (not sure still digging) has jet washed some asbestos containing cement (white chrysotile) several weeks ago. Just wondering if anyone has any experience of this occurring and if so what did you do?
chas  
#2 Posted : 07 January 2011 11:58:25(UTC)
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chas

I would advise against such practices since it tends to generate alot of contaminated runoff and the jet pressure is likely to further damage or crack panels that are already weakened due to age etc. Filtering and disposing of the runoff can prove problematical. You cannot let it just go down the drain. The link below to the HSE's guidance on cleaning asbestos cement sheeting is given below. It may assist you. Hope this helps.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/a12.pdf
bod212  
#3 Posted : 07 January 2011 13:04:35(UTC)
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bod212

The advice chas has given is good. The only things I would add is that there is nothing you can do retrospectively as far exposing people and spreading run-off down the drainage system, the 'damage' is already done. There may be residue - wet or otherwise - that didn't make it to the drains where the jetting took place that needs to cleaned up. Awareness of ACMs need to be addressed though, both by consulting the asbestos register for the location and by providing awareness training for anyone who might come into contact with ACMs. The policy and procedures for this task or location need to reflect the presence of ACMs.
boblewis  
#4 Posted : 07 January 2011 13:39:26(UTC)
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boblewis

You could possibly look towards sealing the surface with such as Decadex or similar as the surface may be left friable to some degree.

Bob
swhitehouse  
#5 Posted : 07 January 2011 15:55:07(UTC)
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swhitehouse

Thanks for this. But I'm interested on whether such an incident should be classed as a RIDDOR Dangerous Occurrence?
allanwood  
#6 Posted : 07 January 2011 16:20:57(UTC)
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allanwood

I am pretty sure that the HSE prosecuted someone for jet washing an asbestos cement roof not that long ago (less than 3 years) take a look on the HSE prosecutions database.
teh_boy  
#7 Posted : 07 January 2011 16:33:25(UTC)
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teh_boy

swhitehouse wrote:
Thanks for this. But I'm interested on whether such an incident should be classed as a RIDDOR Dangerous Occurrence?



From

http://www.hse.gov.uk/ri...r/guidance.htm#dangerous

- accidental release of any substance which may damage health.
sgd20000  
#8 Posted : 07 January 2011 16:44:55(UTC)
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sgd20000

Reading the current RIDDOR you could report anything and everything working in a high risk environment it is still very grey, I thing the regs read something like could the exposure have caused death or serious harm? Asbestos cement low content of asbestos and also damped down. Take your own judgement on this one. I would formally record your findings and post to senior management.
teh_boy  
#9 Posted : 07 January 2011 16:50:41(UTC)
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teh_boy

sgd20000 wrote:
Reading the current RIDDOR you could report anything and everything working in a high risk environment it is still very grey, I thing the regs read something like could the exposure have caused death or serious harm? Asbestos cement low content of asbestos and also damped down. Take your own judgement on this one. I would formally record your findings and post to senior management.


Agree - spilling beer could be considered reportable by my post :)
paul.skyrme  
#10 Posted : 07 January 2011 17:50:14(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

teh_boy,
Spilling beer is a hanging offence! ;)
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 08 January 2011 01:01:31(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You seem to suggest that someone with such scant regard for health and safety would consider reporting their unsafe act to the enforcing authorities? Seems unlikely - assuming they've even heard of RIDDOR.

You also seem rather vague as to the circumstances regarding the cleaning of the roof. There is a safe (contained) way to do this using water under pressure. Given that you "have a feeling" how can you be sure that method wasn't employed?

The exposure scenario is relevant in a RIDDOR context, as fibres would in theory be respirable via the water droplets of a fine spray. Virtually mpossible to measure in real-time though using accepted methodology, and given that the activity is outside, no meaningful way to measure or sample after the event.

The proprietor of the premises will soon rue his action when he finds his roof is now porous.
Worse things happen out there - including all too frequent crushing of AC panels as part of a demolition or taking down without a 'soft strip'.
chas  
#12 Posted : 04 March 2011 09:44:48(UTC)
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chas

Apologies for resurrecting this post/issue however a recent HSE prosecution may be of interest to those who are considering undertaking such activities. See link below.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/coi-em-15611.htm
Ron Hunter  
#13 Posted : 04 March 2011 13:09:37(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

It is not possible to determine retrospectively if the control limit was breached during the activity. The nature of the work (wet) makes that even more unlikely. Bit if a subjective judgement call on RIDDOR application then.
It is an unlawful activity though, from both H&S and EPA/SEPA perspective.
A company called Aronovus had a fully compliant system for this as I recall - you could Google that.
Clairel  
#14 Posted : 04 March 2011 15:53:27(UTC)
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Clairel

Ironic considering the 'Crown' paid farmers to jet wash their asbestos cement roofs during the F&M crisis.

Falls through roofs killed a few. Never even thought of the asbestos exposure at the time.

...would have thought the risks are pretty low though.
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